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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    why can't he answer directly, you have to know that if he could he surely would

    At last Thursday's press conference, Obama chose his words about the IRS scandal very carefully. "I can assure you that I certainly did not know anything about the IG report before the IG report had been leaked through the press." Even though he was asked about the overall malfeasance, he specifically said he didn't know about the report. That parsing alone raises questions about the level of candor coming from the White House.
    Is The White House Obscuring the Truth? - NationalJournal.com

    stay tuned

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    politico's take on the president's inability to answer straight

    Though the White House counsel’s office was informed of the IRS probe in late April, Obama has insisted that he only learned about the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups through media reports last Friday. But he wouldn’t say definitively that the White House was unaware of the targeting before then.
    Obama pushes back on IRS, AP, Benghazi - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

    what's he hiding?

    why do you want to absolve him before the facts are in?

    stay tuned, the questions will not go away until they are answered
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    how could a humble dp poster like the prof know 15 months ago and not the president?

    IRS won't move tax status of Richmond tea party - WeeklyStandard

    IRS Battling Tea Party Groups Over Tax-Exempt Status - HuffPo

    why are shulman, miller and lerner lying?

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Next up, the conservative targets.

    Issa reached an agreement on Wednesday with Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat on the Oversight Committee, to bring groups targeted by the IRS to testify about their experience. That process could start as early as June, according to sources who asked to remain anonymous.

    Meanwhile, Issa and Rep. Charles Boustany, the chairman of the Ways and Means oversight subcommittee, said panel staffers have begun privately interviewing IRS employees both in Washington and the Cincinnati field office where the misconduct originated — a process that will continue in the coming weeks.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/what's

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    They do not have to be approved... they can simply self declare.
    Yes, I'm aware of that and posted this (with links) a few times.

    Can you substantiate these as facts?:
    1.The reason they petition the IRS is because they are questionable to achieve 501(c)(4) status because of their political activity.
    2.They want the 501(c)(4) status as they would not have to disclose donors with this status....
    3. these two factors (borderline qualification; blind donors) are the very reason they got extra scrutiny.
    4. The right wing groups got most of it, because the Tea Party organizations were all being formed in the time frame.
    Or do you stipulate these are opinions and 'left leaning' organizations would benefit similarly? If yes, then in this case why the disparity in the numbers who were subjected to 'extra scrutiny' and time for approval? (see IG report linked previously)
    This all makes logical sense as being benign.
    'Logical sense' does not make it a fact...Consider if on merely self declared and participated in whatever for ~3 years with no review/approval THEN were rejected (legitimately or not). How difficult would the 'unwinding' of their fiscal activities three years down the road? Could this be a reason for their desire to get c4 status first? And again, based on this wouldn't this be prudent for organizations of ANY leaning?
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    No, the law allows them to self declare. They do not need approval. Some see
    it prudent to get a determination letter (the IRS agreeing they qualify) because their qualifications are questionable.

    501(c)4 vs 501(c)3 vs 527

    Social Welfare Organizations

    Lol...yes, we've "wasted our time" paying attention to this as they simply could have "self declared" and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

    How ideologically corrupt do YOU have to be to ignore the obvious ?

    The release of donor list by the IRS to liberal activist groups, the apologies, top officials taking the fifth, the fact no LIBERAL groups or individual were harrased.

    Your mitigations and selsective explanations wont make this go away.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    To me, these organizations are a crock anyway. When you are flooding people with ads and mailers "pointing out" a candidate's record in either a positive or negative way, you are engaging in political activities designed to endorse or oppose a candidate. That said, if you are allowing all the ones from your side to go through for 20+ months while not letting any from the other side go through, then you clearly being political with the process. I'd be happy if they stripped all these folks on both sides who do this of their status, but what befuddles me is why is there not just an National Tea Party that can umbrella the local Tea Parties on the tax status issue?

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    holly paz is the irs director of rulings and agreements who informed evil darrell issa last monday that the irs, independent of tigta, had conducted its own internal review which found "significant problems" and "substantial bias" concerning the exemption office's treatment of wingnut and tinfoil outfits, which troubling findings ms paz' superior, nancy j marks (senior technical adviser), apprised then commissioner steven miller in a power point presentation on may 3, 2012, months before the fired commissioner lied repeatedly to congress about the "substantial bias" he was made fully aware of

    Internal IRS probe cited same problems with approach to conservative groups in May 2012 - WaPo

    it turns out ms paz, a donor to obama's presidential campaigns, was improperly in physical attendance at 36 of the 41 employee interviews conducted by russell george, the ig

    Internal Revenue Service Scrutiny of Non-Profit Groups, Part 2 - C-SPAN Video Library

    "why was holly paz in almost all of the interviews you conducted?” republican mark meadows (NC) asked ig george, "why would you have someone from the irs in those meetings, is that proper protocol?”

    “i am unaware of it,” answered george, "this is the first I’ve heard this”

    ranking member cummings was unconvinced

    “usually when you are conducting an investigation, you want to keep your witnesses separate because you’re in search of the truth and you are trying to make sure there’s no advantage of a person hearing what somebody else said, that’s pretty standard procedure”

    george ultimately conceded to cummings that “in hindsight, given this matter, obviously this seems somewhat unusual”

    cummings: "it sounded like ms paz felt like she needed to be in the room because she wanted to be able to defend herself---or the agency"

    “hindsight is 20/20, sir,” rejoined george

    ms paz, on her part, can't remember who authorized the "unusual interview scheme"

    "i can’t remember if i made the request or lois lerner made the request,” paz testified

    exactly what is the irs working so hard to suppress?

    stay tuned

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    there isn't really a strategic abuse of power
    with all due respect, if you don't know, for example, who cindy thomas is, who are holly paz and nancy marks, if you are unfamiliar with colleen kelley...

    then you are demonstrably judging before you have all the facts

    why would you want to do that?
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post


    exactly what is the irs working so hard to suppress?
    Culpability. They're protecting those above them by attempting to muddy the waters to avoid any guilt at all. It's the administrative equivalent of, "I dunno. **** happens." Or, if you like, "What difference does it make?" We're just trying to make certain it never happens again. Until it does, after which we'll make sure it never, ever happens again. Until it does...But hey, we got away with it, didn't we? And nobody lost their job, benefits, or went to jail. We win, we win! **** off, Tea Party.

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