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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

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    Leading to Dem vote suppression in 2012.
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

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    what is that supposed to mean?i
    Dems saw increasing energy on the Repub side in 2010 and initiated voter suppression actions for 2012.
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

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    Dems saw increasing energy on the Repub side in 2010 and initiated voter suppression actions for 2012.


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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

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    Taking the 5th in and of itself is not a crime.

    Nor can you infer guilt because she chose not to respond to the questions of Congress who are crooks themselves and who most of them should be in jail as well.

    The 5th Amendment is one of the most important rights granted by the Constitution.

    You cannot take a fundamental principle of the constitution and turn it against a citizen.

    I want this thing to be investigated.

    I want to know if there was wrong doing and if there is wrong doing on her part... then she should be prosecuted.

    I just wanna show all of you so called "constitutionalists" how full of crap you truly are.

    Inferring that silence in and of itself is admission of guilt.
    How many people do you know who have invoked the 5th Amendment during a congressional investigation that were free of wrongdoing? As a government employee she should be compelled to comply. If her office contacted an American, that citizen would be compelled to comply.

    No matter your prejudice, she appears to be guilty of something. Now she has to prove otherwise; or face the consequences of her actions (like being suspended to start with.)

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

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    It's the explanation most consistent with the facts as we now understand them.
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think the majority of Americans will think she is guilty of something or has something important to hide by her taking the fifth. I am not a lawyer, so I do not understand how an opening statement could stop someone from taking the 5th. I will just sit back and stay tuned in to see how all this works out.
    That's what I'm going to do too.

    But I can't help but wonder about how much all this influenced the 2012 election.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

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    That's what I'm going to do too.

    But I can't help but wonder about how much all this influenced the 2012 election.
    I don't think it had much of an influence if any. I think the inept campaign Romney ran had more to do with his loss than any group being denied tax exempt status.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    I guess we'll never know. What I would like to know is Harry Reid's source on Romney's taxes. Remember?

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    chicago trib editorial board, today:

    IRS stonewalling makes the case for a special prosecutor - chicagotribune.com

    With their stonewalling, claimed ignorance and convenient amnesia, Internal Revenue Service officials make it difficult for Americans to comprehend the depth, but also the official awareness, of their agency's evident assault on free speech. IRS targeting of conservative groups for extraordinary scrutiny, intrusive demands for information from them, and long delays in processing their paperwork, served two ends, unwittingly or by intent: to thwart the groups' fundraising by delaying their tax-exempt status, and to intimidate them from exercising their First Amendment rights.

    Who put this sorry operation in motion? Was the IRS merely looking for ways to cope with more applications for its valuable tax-exempt imprimatur than its staff could process? Or was someone pushing the agency to hassle groups unfriendly to the government — or to the incumbent Democratic administration — as a presidential election approached?

    Asking these questions isn't a coy suggestion that we have answers. We do, though, know that truthful responses from Lois Lerner could get all of us much closer to those answers. Same for Douglas Shulman and Steven Miller, past IRS commissioners who, unlike Lerner, haven't invoked a Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. Shulman and Miller are testifying. But they just didn't know much, just can't remember much, about their agency's targeting operation.

    Add to this the White House's evolving story of who knew what, when, about illicit IRS activity and you reach this scandal's two bedrock issues. One is the origin and extent of the targeting. The other is how high in the Obama administration knowledge of this operation reached before voters cast their ballots for the Nov. 6 election. On Friday the IRS inspector general testified that in June 2012, five months before the election, he told top Treasury Department officials of his probe into the targeting. Maybe the word stopped there. Certainly, nobody clued in rank-and-file citizens about IRS treatment of conservative groups that might have influenced their votes.

    The context: Tea party and other conservative groups had assisted a Republican victory wave in the 2010 congressional election. Democrats understandably feared a repeat in 2012. That concern likely animated Democratic senators who, during the 2012 cycle, urged the IRS to examine the tax-exempt status of these groups, some of which had huge war chests. The White House, too, complained about big-money conservative groups.

    At the same time, the IRS was assuring noisy Republican members of Congress that, contrary to complaints from the conservative groups, the agency wasn't subjecting them to inordinate scrutiny. That assurance was incorrect. Worse, even when they learned about the targeting, neither Shulman nor Miller corrected their previous denials to the Congress. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said at a Tuesday hearing: "Commissioner Miller, that's a lie by omission. ... Why did you mislead me and my colleagues?" To which Miller replied, "I did not lie, Sir."

    The U.S. Department of Justice has opened a criminal investigation of the targeting, and of whether IRS officials misled members of Congress who asked about it. But given the political overtones, many Americans won't be much interested in what one arm of the Obama administration concludes about the conduct of other arms — the IRS, the Treasury and possibly the White House.

    The evasiveness of IRS officials makes the case for a special prosecutor to conduct this inquiry, much as then-U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald investigated (and convicted of perjury and other offenses) Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby. Given the gravity of this scandal and the we-saw-nothing attitude that IRS officials project, Attorney General Eric Holder should appoint a prosecutor, aka special counsel.

    We've been skeptical of special prosecutors who succumbed to temptations of mission creep and vague deadlines. But there are times when only a special prosecutor has the independence and credibility to resolve a politically fraught matter.

    With each day, the IRS fiasco only grows curiouser — as do the American people.

    We don't begrudge Lerner her privilege under the Fifth Amendment.

    We're equally concerned, though, about groups eager to invoke their First Amendment privilege — only to have their federal government push back.
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    IRS official on leave refused to resign, says GOP senator | Fox News

    First she refused to testify. Now Lois Lerner, the IRS official at the center of the tax agency scandal, is refusing to resign, according to a top Republican senator.

    Sources confirmed to Fox News earlier Thursday that Lerner, the head of the IRS division that oversaw the unit targeting conservative groups, had been placed on administrative leave, with pay.

    But Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, claimed she was only put in that status after refusing to step down.

    He said the commissioner was in his right to demand her resignation, and said taxpayers should not continue to pay her salary indefinitely.

    “My understanding is the new acting IRS commissioner asked for Ms. Lerner’s resignation, and she refused to resign. She was then put on administrative leave instead,” Grassley said in a statement. “The IRS owes it to taxpayers to resolve her situation quickly. The agency needs to move on to fix the conditions that led to the targeting debacle."

    Capitol Hill sources said Lerner, the director of exempt organizations, was placed on paid leave Thursday, amid calls from some lawmakers for her to be suspended or fired. In her absence, Ken Corbin, the current deputy director of the submission processing, wage and investment division, will take over her duties, according to an internal IRS memo obtained by Fox News.

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