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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And now she's been fired. She's having a bad week.
    The bitch needs to be charged and arrested.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The bitch needs to be charged and arrested.
    My guess is that she'll get immunity so she'll testify against the next level up.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    you can only plead the fifth to keep from incriminating yourself in a crime. so she is admitting there was a crime
    Taking the 5th in and of itself is not a crime.

    Nor can you infer guilt because she chose not to respond to the questions of Congress who are crooks themselves and who most of them should be in jail as well.

    The 5th Amendment is one of the most important rights granted by the Constitution.

    You cannot take a fundamental principle of the constitution and turn it against a citizen.

    I want this thing to be investigated.

    I want to know if there was wrong doing and if there is wrong doing on her part... then she should be prosecuted.

    I just wanna show all of you so called "constitutionalists" how full of crap you truly are.

    Inferring that silence in and of itself is admission of guilt.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Taking the 5th in and of itself is not a crime.

    Nor can you infer guilt because she chose not to respond to the questions of Congress who are crooks themselves and who most of them should be in jail as well.

    The 5th Amendment is one of the most important rights granted by the Constitution.

    You cannot take a fundamental principle of the constitution and turn it against a citizen.

    I want this thing to be investigated.

    I want to know if there was wrong doing and if there is wrong doing on her part... then she should be prosecuted.

    I just wanna show all of you so called "constitutionalists" how full of crap you truly are.

    Inferring that silence in and of itself is admission of guilt.
    A jury can't infer guilt, but I can.
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    Also, pleading the 5th doesn't make her untouchable.

    The biggest error on her part, was her opening statement, right before she took the 5th.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A jury can't infer guilt, but I can.
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    Also, pleading the 5th doesn't make her untouchable.

    The biggest error on her part, was her opening statement, right before she took the 5th.
    I think the majority of Americans will think she is guilty of something or has something important to hide by her taking the fifth. I am not a lawyer, so I do not understand how an opening statement could stop someone from taking the 5th. I will just sit back and stay tuned in to see how all this works out.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    This explains much, about our differences that is. Off hand, I can't think of any television broadcaster I trust less than Laurence O'Donnell.
    Check page 51 in the following IRS publication then.

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p557.pdf

    501(c)(4) - Civic
    Leagues and Social
    Welfare Organizations


    Political activity. Promoting social welfare does not include direct or indirect participation or intervention in political campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public of- fice. However, if you submit proof that your or- ganization is organized exclusively to promote social welfare, it can obtain exemption even if it participates legally in some political activity on behalf of or in opposition to candidates for public office. See the discussion in chapter 2 under Political Organization Income Tax Return.


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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Check page 51 in the following IRS publication then.

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p557.pdf

    501(c)(4) - Civic
    Leagues and Social
    Welfare Organizations


    Political activity. Promoting social welfare does not include direct or indirect participation or intervention in political campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public of- fice. However, if you submit proof that your or- ganization is organized exclusively to promote social welfare, it can obtain exemption even if it participates legally in some political activity on behalf of or in opposition to candidates for public office. See the discussion in chapter 2 under Political Organization Income Tax Return.
    Yes. The problem was not the law, but its politically targeted application, and lying to Congress about it.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A jury can't infer guilt, but I can.
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    Also, pleading the 5th doesn't make her untouchable.

    The biggest error on her part, was her opening statement, right before she took the 5th.
    she's guilty of being incompetent, but that's not a crime. The fact is no organization doing political work should get 501 c(4) tax exemption status. See post 176 above.


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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes. The problem was not the law, but its politically targeted application, and lying to Congress about it.
    As Lawrence O'Donnell pointed out there was a huge number of Tea Party organizations created in 2010.


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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    As Lawrence O'Donnell pointed out there was a huge number of Tea Party organizations created in 2010.

    Leading to Dem vote suppression in 2012.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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