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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Since she started under Bush, I think he should pardon her like he did Libby. Hiding things got you the Medal of Freedom under Bush.
    False twice. She started with the USG long before GWB, and GWB never pardoned Libby. Please try again.
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    That's not how the ****ing 5th amendment works!
    In court. This isn't court.
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How's that transparency working for Obama?
    Transparency has been suspended by the 5th Amendment.


    ...and executive privilege.
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Bring on the special prosecutor. Bring out the guillotine, some heads are gonna roll!
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    In court. This isn't court.
    Somebody doesn't understand how the 5th amendment works and is intent on showing us.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Somebody doesn't understand how the 5th amendment works and is intent on showing us.
    There is only one reason to invoke the 5th amendment. To not incriminate yourself. Juries are instructed to not construe that as evidence of guilt. We are not a jury.

    Do you need any more help? I don't mind clearing up your misconceptions, just like in the last thread we had to do this in.
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lois Lerner could probably continue to plead the fifth since technically it's not a Criminal Court and because her monologue didn't influence any jurors or judges that would determine her guilt or innocence.
    I would take it one step further and note that she has a right to selectively answer some questions while invoking the 5th amendment in others. The 9th Circuit ruled in United States v. Seifert:

    A non-party witness who takes the stand and testifies, as Saka did in this case, obviously waives whatever privilege he may have had to refuse to answer the questions that he answers. He has not, however, waived his privilege as to all other questions that may be put to him. He may have waived his privilege as to questions on cross-examination directly relating to the matters about which he testified on direct examination, but the extent of such a waiver is in doubt. Weinstein, supra, P 611(04). Our rule is that, whatever the standard of waiver for defendants who voluntarily testify, "an ordinary witness may 'pick the point beyond which he will not go,' and refuse to answer any questions about a matter already discussed, even if the facts already revealed are incriminating, as long as the answers sought may tend to further incriminate him. Shendal v. United States, 312 F.2d 564, 566 (9 Cir. 1963)." In re Master Key Litigation, 9 Cir., 1974, 507 F.2d 292, 294. (citation omitted). Before the trial judge, the parties agreed that Saka's answer would have been incriminating; it seems certain that the answer would have incriminated Saka "further" than his direct testimony. Thus, he was entitled to refuse to answer.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Yup, time to appoint a special investigator. The WH narrative for this has fallen to pieces. Can't even keep up with the various versions anymore.
    I think it's time to chage Lerner with perjury, since she claimed there was no crime, THEN, invoked the protection of the 5th Amendment.

    Obviously, she's lieing.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Somebody doesn't understand how the 5th amendment works and is intent on showing us.
    The 5th Amendment protects you from incriminating yourself. It doesn't protect you from incriminating somene else.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    What you saw this morning was the beginning of a negotiation. She will get immunity.
    I'm confused, what is the scandal??


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