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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    No apology necessary. I was mostly agreeing with you anyway.

    It'll be interesting to see what they do when they have her back. If they can compel her to testify without any immunity, than someone needs to be taken to the woodshed for incompetence.
    I think most would agree, if this goes higher than her, then I don't care nearly as much about her, whether it involves Obama or not. Give her full immunity if this was any sort of directive at all.
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    pardon her like he did Libby
    Ex-VP Dick Cheney outraged President Bush didn't grant 'Scooter' Libby pardon - NY Daily News

    if you linked more it would force you to know what you're talking about

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    No apology necessary. I was mostly agreeing with you anyway.

    It'll be interesting to see what they do when they have her back. If they can compel her to testify without any immunity, than someone needs to be taken to the woodshed for incompetence.
    Her attorney didn't attend. Since someone here earlier suggested this was a republican plot, I suppose it's okay for me to mention that her attorney could have been told politely not to attend. Nah. That wouldn't happen.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Legally she doesn't need a reason. She could be upset with the way the committee treated other witnesses. Or she could be thumbing her nose at them, or she could have had a bad day, or any of a million other reasons. That's the point of the 5th amendment. She's allowed to say that she doesn't want to testify, and the government can't infer anything from that.

    But since I'm guessing that isn't going to satisfy you, here's an example of a witness who was completely innocent of any wrongdoing, involved in a non-criminal investigation that didn't take the 5th, but probably should have.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/sp...mens.html?_r=0

    the law is clear you can only evoke the 5th amendment to protect against Self Incrimination.

    it does say you are allowed to because you had a bad day, it doesn't say because you want to, it doesn't say because you think other witnesses where treated unfairly

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    where her lawyers that dumb? you learn that first year of law school. I'm beginning to think she wanted an out she wanted to testify but wanted to be forced to do so. This way she can have the illusion of being the victim and was forced to roll over so to keep the heat off her for being a traitor to the IRS and or this administration
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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    Republicans were all for it as well. But you do not care about that.
    Did you fail to see my position on its initial passage?
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Since she started under Bush, I think he should pardon her like he did Libby. Hiding things got you the Medal of Freedom under Bush.
    Nice revisionist view on history...typical liberal meme!
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    where her lawyers that dumb? you learn that first year of law school. I'm beginning to think she wanted an out she wanted to testify but wanted to be forced to do so. This way she can have the illusion of being the victim and was forced to roll over so to keep the heat off her for being a traitor to the IRS and or this administration
    Her being called back doesn't mean they can force her to testify. Cummings was correct at the hearing. The former House counsel in the Politico story is correct. A talking invocation is still an invocation.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is her right to take the 5th.
    Evidently not, she is being called back. And she refuses this time she should be charged with obstruction. Then they can call her higher ups. And if they refuse they should also be charged with obstruction. And so on until someone fesses up or they are all in prison.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Her being called back doesn't mean they can force her to testify. Cummings was correct at the hearing. The former House counsel in the Politico story is correct. A talking invocation is still an invocation.
    she now can be charged with contempt of congress if she still refuses to testify. she waved her right when she made that opening statement and they can question her about anything she mentioned in that statement

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