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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Interesting assertion, no I was uneasy with the passage of the Patriot act but its sunset provisions were somewhat relieving...but I didn't count on a Congress held by DEMOCRATS and a President (who also is a Democrat) EXTENDING IT in 2010 (then again in 2011 with vast Democratic support)...I'm SURE you were outraged equally when this happened...right?

    Republicans were all for it as well. But you do not care about that.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    taking the Fifth n. the refusal to testify on the ground that the testimony might tend to incriminate the witness in a crime, based on the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution which provides that "No person....shall be compelled to be a witness against himself," applied to state courts by the 14th Amendment. The term became famous during televised Senate committee hearings on organized crime in 1951, when a series of crime bosses "took the Fifth

    Plead the Fifth legal definition of Plead the Fifth. Plead the Fifth synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

    You are not allowed to plead the fifth to protect others and by pleading the fifth you then are admiting a crime was commented.


    Please inform your self it will make you look less like a fool
    Brilliant! This is such an amazing discovery!!!! If someone pleads the 5th, then they're admitting that what they say will incriminate them. Logically, if something they say will incriminate them they have to be guilty. Oh wow!!! If someone pleads the 5th then they're guilty.

    Educating yourself is far more productive than calling people fools, especially when it's unwarranted
    Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Baucus is a red, red state Democrat who has voted with Republicans on most big issues
    hardly

    dodd frank

    H.R. 4173 (111th): Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (On the Conference Report) -- GovTrack.us

    stimulus

    Senate Vote on Stimulus Package - Washington Post

    and, of course, when it comes to obamacare, senate finance is the principal author

    Key Obamacare author warns of 'train wreck,' shows Dems fear 2014 health care politics | WashingtonExaminer.com

    single handedly killed any discussion of single payor (sic)
    hardly

    Handy Guide to 13 Bluedog Democratic Senators Opposed to the Public Option - Democratic Underground

    Kent Conrad: Public health insurance option dead, votes not there - CNN.com

    conrad was budget chair at the time

    Robinson considers the IRS issue a scandal that doesn't involve the President, even though it looks bad
    LOL!

    you don't know what you're talking about

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The next time the IRS audits you and wants select information why don't you just plead the fifth and see how that works for you.

    Sure she may have that right, but we reserve the right to equate her silence to either her guilt, or the fact that she is hiding something.
    Since she started under Bush, I think he should pardon her like he did Libby. Hiding things got you the Medal of Freedom under Bush.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    Here's my theory. This was a plot by low-level republican IRS workers to cause a scandal. They do not want to admit why they did it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    As it turns out, she DID wave her rights by making a statement, and is being called back to give testimony
    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    hahahahahahaha

    Ah - NO!
    Gardy, you'll excuse us if we don't accept your opinion about Lerner as fact ... after all, you think Republicans are behind Obama's IRS scandal.
    And, oh yeah, Lerner's already been notified to return.
    Sooooooooooooooo ...

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    It's incredible to think that this is not some person from a terrorist group (well, you could argue she is) or a foreign attacker, it's an official at our very own IRS that is refusing to give information about what happened there to Congress. Who the hell is she working for, again? Oh, and she is still employed there!

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    It's incredible to think that this is not some person from a terrorist group (well, you could argue she is) or a foreign attacker, it's an official at our very own IRS that is refusing to give information about what happened there to Congress. Who the hell is she working for, again? Oh, and she is still employed there!
    It does seem odd that she was pleading the fifth over her actions in a government-related job. That should not be allowed.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    Here's my theory. This was a plot by low-level republican IRS workers to cause a scandal. They do not want to admit why they did it.
    At first I thought you were being sarcastic.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Brilliant! This is such an amazing discovery!!!! If someone pleads the 5th, then they're admitting that what they say will incriminate them. Logically, if something they say will incriminate them they have to be guilty. Oh wow!!! If someone pleads the 5th then they're guilty.

    Educating yourself is far more productive than calling people fools, especially when it's unwarranted
    Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    ok wise guy explain this since your so smart if nothing was done that was wrong what is she worried about her incriminating her self against

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    Re: IRS official Lois Lerner to take the Fifth

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    As we see here in this thread the defenders of constitutional rights want to skip people's right to remain silent and go right to declaring them guilty without a trial. One would think that they would have learned something from giving the executive branch the power to spy on you without a warrant and the problems that has brought up, but no they are all for eliminating their rights out of fear and spite.

    This person may very well be guilty, but that is no reason for us all to forget about our important right to remain silent. Perhaps some of you might want to think about that since you already voluntarily and willingly supported handing over your right to privacy and are now seeing the president spy on people because it is now a power given to whoever holds that position. Maybe i am wrong and this time those extra powers you surrender will not be used, but if you trust Obama with the power to compel you to speak out and incriminate yourself perhaps i am wrong to argue with you.
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