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    Re: Vermont Legalizes Assisted Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Story at Russia Today: Vermont legalizes assisted suicide ? RT USA

    This is good news-- a step closer to the humane treatment of those with terminal conditions.
    It is good news, and it is a step in the right direction, but it will never be enough, in my view, until the government stops legally standing in the way of any citizen's desire to end their own life in a humane and civil way.
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    Re: Vermont Legalizes Assisted Suicide

    It is good to allow people who are terminal to chose to end their lives. The only reason i see to force terminal patients to exist on treatment programs that are not going to cure them or in many cases take away their pain is for the profit of the medical field who is going to ravage their estates and take money from the insurance programs and federal government for a life the person does not want to continue. What some people just do not get is that these people are not living well. They are suffering from pain. No, that pain is not taken away by our best pain killers. there is no hope for these people in another day without pain. What is worse is that they pay for those days as do we because the medical associations want some more cash for what is basically livestock in pain in their beds. One should also note these people cannot go out and commit suicide. They are often bed ridden and have no ability to end their own lives. They cannot go out and shoot themselves, or even climb up to the roof and toss themselves to their deaths.

    This is not a choice that effects anyone aside from the person who wants out. Allowing them this freedom does not take away your freedom to chose to exist in pain and go through the hell for a couple more days of suffering. If you want to live you can do it. Let those who do not die in their own way. This is something that the person makes the choice to do for themselves. This is not something insurance or even the hospital is choosing for them.

    I would also like to point out that when you are sucked dry and the cost of your care becomes more than the benefits the hospital can receive for your care they will pretty much let your medical care go. Poor people often come to the point when they are terminal that the hospital just puts them on pain killers and stops treatment. They do not kill them, but they also do not treat them with anything but some morphine which is often limited to keep the person from dying because the hospital can get enough money to do that at a profit. The reason to oppose a medical overdose is because of the money for the hospitals and not some love for human life. The opponents can pretend it is some moral opposition, but it just simply isn't so, and those are your values and not the ones you have to live with when you force them on someone else.

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    Re: Vermont Legalizes Assisted Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I would not rather they die that way, but pain can usually be managed short of killing someone. Either way, the same argument could be made for the poor--why not euthanize them to put them out of their misery?
    Bold: There comes a point where even drugs do not mitigate the pain. It's a mercy to kill em if they wish it.

    As for the poor part...WTF? I am poor. I am in no way miserable. And if you're thinking of those that have to eat dirt sometimes, well, the poor can be made far more comfortable than those in excruciating pain. So no, that arguement in no way holds ANY water.
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    Re: Vermont Legalizes Assisted Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    It is pro-death--how much more direct can one be than that. There is nothing that prevents a terminal patient from killing themselves now. In fact, they usually have enough meds to kill an elephant if they so desire. What the law does is now allows relatives and doctors to coerce the person into signing a piece of paper, legalizing their extermination. Whatever happened to that "Do no harm" thing in the medical code of ethics?
    Most people that are on that many meds can barely move thier hand much less grab a bottle of pills.
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    Re: Vermont Legalizes Assisted Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I would not rather they die that way, but pain can usually be managed short of killing someone.
    Good to know that you feel confident in the Government mandating how a person "Deals with their pain" in cases of a terminal illness. Good to see a criticizer of a "Blue state" is so "Pro-big government".

    Either way, the same argument could be made for the poor--why not euthanize them to put them out of their misery?
    Because there's a SIGNIFICANT difference between an individual CHOOSING of their own volition to end their life when they are terminally ill and the state choosing to end the life of poor people because the state believes they're miserable.

    Not stupidity at all, unless you are talking about the pro-euthanasia movement.
    Or in your case, the Pro-big government and Anti-Freedom movement.

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    Re: Vermont Legalizes Assisted Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Good to know that you feel confident in the Government mandating how a person "Deals with their pain" in cases of a terminal illness. Good to see a criticizer of a "Blue state" is so "Pro-big government".



    Because there's a SIGNIFICANT difference between an individual CHOOSING of their own volition to end their life when they are terminally ill and the state choosing to end the life of poor people because the state believes they're miserable.



    Or in your case, the Pro-big government and Anti-Freedom movement.
    Except that is all bull. People can kill themselves now. Anti-Freedom is forcing others to do it for you because you are too big of a vagina to man up and pull the trigger

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    Re: Vermont Legalizes Assisted Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Good to know that you feel confident in the Government mandating how a person "Deals with their pain" in cases of a terminal illness. Good to see a criticizer of a "Blue state" is so "Pro-big government".



    Because there's a SIGNIFICANT difference between an individual CHOOSING of their own volition to end their life when they are terminally ill and the state choosing to end the life of poor people because the state believes they're miserable.



    Or in your case, the Pro-big government and Anti-Freedom movement.
    So you think only terminally people should get to choose physician assisted suicide? Shouldn't anybody who desires suicide have that option? After that, we can talk about the people with disabilities who must be miserable but can't verbalize it, right?

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    Re: Vermont Legalizes Assisted Suicide

    i dislike suicide intensely. that being said, i have more legal options to end my dog's suffering than any human has for themselves or for a family member.

    stuff like this has to be tightly regulated to keep jerks from killing off rich relatives, but someone who is terminally ill should have the right to decide when it's time to go.

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    Re: Vermont Legalizes Assisted Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i dislike suicide intensely. that being said, i have more legal options to end my dog's suffering than any human has for themselves or for a family member.

    stuff like this has to be tightly regulated to keep jerks from killing off rich relatives, but someone who is terminally ill should have the right to decide when it's time to go.
    Again, is this an option you think should only be available for someone who's terminally ill? What if it's someone who's in constant chronic pain but still expected to live a full life span? And how about someone who's in constant emotional pain?

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    Re: Vermont Legalizes Assisted Suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Again, is this an option you think should only be available for someone who's terminally ill? What if it's someone who's in constant chronic pain but still expected to live a full life span? And how about someone who's in constant emotional pain?
    doctor review, and for the emotional suicide option, i think the person should have to be at least 40. the very young are too emotionally tempestuous to be allowed this option. i speak from experience.

    also, there would be a lot less chronic pain if we weren't so puritanical about pain meds. it doesn't bother me if they get high in the process. that beats dead.

    i have never used opiates, and i'm happy about that. however, if i'm ever in life-ruining pain and they get stingy on the pain pills, you can bet your ass that i'll be visiting a street pharmacist because **** that ****.

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