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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The FBI agent requesting the warrent compared Rosen's covert communication plan to Kim as espionage....


    "...Much like an intelligence officer would run an clandestine intelligence source, the Reporter instructed Mr. Kim on a covert communications plan," Reyes said, explicitly comparing reportorial tactics to espionage...."


    The FBI probably knows more about espionage better than you, Gie.
    Talk about an empty bromide leading nowhere. So Hautey can't tell the difference between allegations and facts and you have managed to now up the allegation to the fact of espionage. This just gets more idiotic by the moment, and my how shocking that both of you just ignore the posted proof that the Obama administration has itself admitted and apologized for leaking classified information about the Isreali targets in Syria. That is quite a filter for facts you have there, try to get it fixed. Like I said, it is obviously a matter of focus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Rosen's own emails prove that he was breaking the law.

    Bye bye, Rosen.
    Bromide #2. I'd ask where you got that "fact" but I know ahead of time it came from out of your posterior.
    Last edited by Gie; 05-20-13 at 04:01 PM.

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    I guess the point is that, if what Rosen did was criminal then every Washington reporter is criminal because they all try to get sources to spill beans. Asking for information is not illegal. in the news gathering business, it is a requirement. The kid they have locked up did break the law. He was the bean spiller. Wikileaks broke no law.

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Spare us, the media speaks in allegations, if we can only discuss things that aren't alleged, this site wouldn't exist. Now go and complain elsewhere. We're dealing with what is currently known.
    Spare us the dodge dancing around all the inconvenient facts that dispute and raise rational reasonable questions about your inability to discern allegations from facts in the article you posted. What is the well known saying? Reading is essential? Somehow you managed to imagine you did read something about someone somewhere telling you that you can only discuss things that aren't alleged and other gobbledygook. Amazing how you can't read what you actually posted and quite catch on, yet you imagine you read something that does not exist. What a convincing case you make. You sure you know what that case is?

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It is if you stand to gain from them breaking the law. Rosen definitely stood to gain from Kim's breaking of the law.
    No it isn't.

    I'm not sure if I have seen anything to indicate Rosen told anyone to break any laws anyway.
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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Do you feel the same about wikileaks and the kid they have locked up?

    Not necessarily you, but it seems that a lot of folks who cried for assanges head on a plate are singing a different tune over the exact same behavior by somebody on "their" side.
    I don't know that that is true but I don't believe Julian Assange broke any U.S. laws, so I don't believe he should be charged with anything.

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Telling someone to break the law isn't illegal.

    I don't know which article you have read but I haven't seen anything that mentions enticements of any kind.
    Soliciting someone to commit a crime, is a crime.

    http://www.sagepub.com/lippmanccl2e/...inia/VA_07.pdf

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    I guess the point is that, if what Rosen did was criminal then every Washington reporter is criminal because they all try to get sources to spill beans. Asking for information is not illegal. in the news gathering business, it is a requirement. The kid they have locked up did break the law. He was the bean spiller. Wikileaks broke no law.
    Asking for information isn't illegal, the lengths to which a person goes in order to gather that information can be illegal. Kim broke the law, and in Rossen's case, his current status of innocent, hasn't stopped Republicans like Peter T. King from calling for Assange's head. Actually... here are Republicans on this issue:

    Republicans prioritise WikiLeaks investigation | Media | The Guardian

    The Republicans plan to hold a congressional inquiry into WikiLeaks and its founder, Julian Assange, following the organisation's release of thousands of classified US diplomatic cables.

    The party, which will wrest control of house committees from the Democrats tomorrow, has included WikiLeaks in a list of priorities for investigation.

    The move is partly political, aimed at the attorney general, Eric Holder, who the Republicans claim has been too slow and too weak in reacting to the leaks.
    WikiLeaks: Sarah Palin demands Julian Assange hunted down like Al Qaeda terrorist | Mail Online

    Sarah Palin has demanded that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is hunted down like Osama bin Laden.

    In an extraordinary outburst on Facebook, the former Alaska governor attacked the White House for 'incompetent handling of this whole fiasco.'

    First and foremost, what steps were taken to stop Wikileaks director Julian Assange from distributing this highly sensitive classified material especially after he had already published material not once but twice in the previous months?.' she wrote.
    Julian Assange cast as common enemy as US left and right unite | Media | The Guardian

    The most extreme attacks have come from prominent Republicans including Sarah Palin, who has likened Assange to an al-Qaida operative; Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader in the Senate, who called him a "hi-tech terrorist"; and Newt Gingrich, who called him an information terrorist and said he should be arrested as an "enemy combatant" .

    Assange was also attacked by leading Democrats such as Dianne Feinstein, who said he should be charged under the US espionage act, and John Kerry, who has called for the law to be changed to allow a prosecution of the WikiLeaks website.

    Gabriel Schoenfeld, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute in Washington and author of Necessary Secrets, said the cross-party baying put the Obama administration in a difficult place. "There is a huge amount of pressure on them to do something about WikiLeaks."

    This week Joe Lieberman, the independent senator who has long been an opponent of WikiLeaks, widened the net when he accused the New York Times of an "act of bad citizenship" by publishing versions of the US embassy cables and called on the justice department to hold a "very intensive inquiry" into whether the paper had committed a crime.
    It seems, a year ago, this was a crime, and hey - now, it's "freedom of the press" - by the way: here is what I posted on Assange:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think what most people calling him an asshole haven't realized is that Assange's work has brought attention to issues which the world wouldn't care about. He's revealed the killings carried out by the U.S. funded governments. Most people on the left didn't complain when he released information on the cult of scientology and the names of members in the NBP. Most right wing people on this forum didn't really complain when he released those e-mails between the climatologists or the nuclear accident in Iran. Are we all supposed to complain because he's released something some people may disagree with? This man should be held up as a patriot in the fight against global censorship.
    Here are the right wing responses:

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think he's a very arrogant man that cares more about WikiLeaks than he does about our troops and innocent lives. I strongly disprove of his actions.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    He is no different than someone who knowingly buys stolen property. So he is just as guilty as the traitors who release classified info to him. Since he is not an American he obviously can't be a traitor to our country but if he is ever caught he should be tried with something.
    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    He's an egotistical media hound who is doing everything he can to undermine the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Assange has no other motive, than to undermine the United States. He's admitted that.

    It's sickneing that anyone would defend this bastard.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Prick. Cocksucker. Idiot.
    I hope he lives his life in fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I think Assange is a head that is in need of a bullet.
    So if Assange was guilty, why isn't Rosen? Citizenship?
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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Asking for information isn't illegal, the lengths to which a person goes in order to gather that information can be illegal. Kim broke the law, and in Rossen's case, his current status of innocent, hasn't stopped Republicans like Peter T. King from calling for Assange's head. Actually... here are Republicans on this issue:

    Republicans prioritise WikiLeaks investigation | Media | The Guardian



    WikiLeaks: Sarah Palin demands Julian Assange hunted down like Al Qaeda terrorist | Mail Online



    Julian Assange cast as common enemy as US left and right unite | Media | The Guardian



    It seems, a year ago, this was a crime, and hey - now, it's "freedom of the press" - by the way: here is what I posted on Assange:



    Here are the right wing responses:















    So if Assange was guilty, why isn't Rosen? Citizenship?
    You just have to laugh when you see these threads where the author can't grasp his own posted subject matter, has no intelligent replies to any contradictory facts or rebuttals and then proceeds to steer his own thread into an "republican priorities + Julian Assange" derailment.

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    You just have to laugh when you see these threads where the author can't grasp his own posted subject matter, has no intelligent replies to any contradictory facts or rebuttals and then proceeds to steer his own thread into an "republican priorities + Julian Assange" derailment.
    It's not a derailment to compare similar cases.
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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Talk about an empty bromide leading nowhere. So Hautey can't tell the difference between allegations and facts and you have managed to now up the allegation to the fact of espionage. This just gets more idiotic by the moment, and my how shocking that both of you just ignore the posted proof that the Obama administration has itself admitted and apologized for leaking classified information about the Isreali targets in Syria. That is quite a filter for facts you have there, try to get it fixed. Like I said, it is obviously a matter of focus.


    Bromide #2. I'd ask where you got that "fact" but I know ahead of time it came from out of your posterior.
    It's only alledged in the article because it hasn't gone to trial, yet. Yes, in this country someone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. So you might want to remember that in your alledged attacks against the Obama administration. However, the factual evidence of covert planning and solicitation to commit a crime in the emails does appear to be a pretty solid case against Rosen in spite of your ridiculous, hyperbolic temper tantrums.
    Last edited by Moot; 05-20-13 at 04:29 PM.

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