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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Here's the crime you are defending.....


    "...The case began when Rosen reported on June 11, 2009, that U.S. intelligence believed North Korea might respond to tighter United Nations sanctions with new nuclear tests. Rosen reported that the information came from CIA sources inside the hermetic Stalinist state.

    Investigators zeroed in on State Department arms expert Stephen Jin-Woo Kim, who was among a small group of intelligence officials to receive a top-secret report on the issue the same day that Rosen's piece ran online...."

    Investigators looking into disclosures of sensitive information about North Korea got Rosen’s telephone records and a warrant for his personal emails but also used his State Department security badge to track his movements in and out of that building, the Post reported, citing court documents.

    And just what did Rosen do? Here's Reyes in an affidavit to support his request for a search warrant:

    “From the beginning of their relationship, the Reporter asked, solicited and encouraged Mr. Kim to disclose sensitive United States internal documents and intelligence information about the Foreign Country," the FBI agent wrote. "The Reporter did so by employing flattery and playing to Mr. Kim’s vanity and ego.”

    "Much like an intelligence officer would run an clandestine intelligence source, the Reporter instructed Mr. Kim on a covert communications plan," Reyes said, explicitly comparing reportorial tactics to espionage...."



    You're defending someone who knowingly commited espionage against the U.S., Bronson. How patriotic of you.
    Are you kidding me right now?

    Soliciting information is WHAT REPORTERS DO. You're now claiming Rosen committed espionage? Hilarious.

    Your Government is out of control and you're defending that. Why?

    DOJ's secret subpoena of AP phone records broader than initially revealed - Open Channel

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Maybe but since we're not actually talking about someone enticing someone else to do anything, it seems another pointless point.
    Considering that's exactly how the article describes Kim's relationship with Rosen, it seems so.At no point did Rosen realize that asking Kim to release documents would mean that Kim would be breaking the law? Again, he told Kim to break the law.
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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    The way this case will play out is simple. Kim will take the blame and Rosen's defenders will claim he had a right to entice and conspire to commit a crime. Which of course is not protected by the constitution in any way.
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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Considering that's exactly how the article describes Kim's relationship with Rosen, it seems so.At no point did Rosen realize that asking Kim to release documents would mean that Kim would be breaking the law? Again, he told Kim to break the law.
    Telling someone to break the law isn't illegal.

    I don't know which article you have read but I haven't seen anything that mentions enticements of any kind.

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Considering that's exactly how the article describes Kim's relationship with Rosen, it seems so.At no point did Rosen realize that asking Kim to release documents would mean that Kim would be breaking the law? Again, he told Kim to break the law.
    Nope, try again with the reading. It is alleged that Rosen told Kim to break the law, and you have just side stepped and ignored quite a lot that debunks your claims in response to your continued inability to differentiate allegation and facts. You would think that after more than a year of hacking and wiretapping and following Rosen and two other Fox employees around, we'd have something other than allegations from the DOJ. Hence the aforementioned flame broiled nothing burger.

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Telling someone to break the law isn't illegal.
    It is if you stand to gain from them breaking the law. Rosen definitely stood to gain from Kim's breaking of the law.
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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    I like how now the allegation has grown to Rosen committed espionage! Despite the fact that even DOJ has not alleged this. Bronson and his so called patriotism have no place in this discussion except as a personal attack.
    The FBI agent requesting the warrent compared Rosen's covert communication plan to Kim as espionage....


    "...Much like an intelligence officer would run an clandestine intelligence source, the Reporter instructed Mr. Kim on a covert communications plan," Reyes said, explicitly comparing reportorial tactics to espionage...."


    The FBI probably knows a lot more about espionage than you, Gie.
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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nonsense, not how it works here. If you want that take it to some stalinist country.

    I agree Kim should go down for leaking the info, part of his sworn position is to keep that material to himself and other authorized individuals. But Rosen? By intent and letter of the Constitution he was doing exactly his job.
    Do you feel the same about wikileaks and the kid they have locked up?

    Not necessarily you, but it seems that a lot of folks who cried for assanges head on a plate are singing a different tune over the exact same behavior by somebody on "their" side.
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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Nope, try again with the reading. It is alleged that Rosen told Kim to break the law, and you have just side stepped and ignored quite a lot that debunks your claims in response to your continued inability to differentiate allegation and facts. You would think that after more than a year of hacking and wiretapping and following Rosen and two other Fox employees around, we'd have something other than allegations from the DOJ. Hence the aforementioned flame broiled nothing burger.
    Spare us, the media speaks in allegations, if we can only discuss things that aren't alleged, this site wouldn't exist. Now go and complain elsewhere. We're dealing with what is currently known.
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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Nope, try again with the reading. It is alleged that Rosen told Kim to break the law, and you have just side stepped and ignored quite a lot that debunks your claims in response to your continued inability to differentiate allegation and facts. You would think that after more than a year of hacking and wiretapping and following Rosen and two other Fox employees around, we'd have something other than allegations from the DOJ. Hence the aforementioned flame broiled nothing burger.
    Rosen's own emails prove that he was breaking the law.

    Bye bye, Rosen.

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