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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Depends on what you're asking. Enticing somebody to break the law is considered conspiracy at the very least.
    Is there any proof of "enticement" though? Any monetary incentive given or offered? Are we suggesting that asking someone something is "enticing" them? (love that video)

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He's not merely reporting, did you read the article? He purposely asked somebody to break the law so he could get fodder for a news article. That's not constitutionally protected in the least. Methods by which information is obtained are relevant to whether or not a reporter is within their constitutional right to freedom of the press. For example, a reporter who gains information through blackmail, is within their constitutional right to publish that information, they're not immune from the laws which they broke in order to gather it.
    Apparently you did not read the article. Or you would realize that it contains, and uses, the word allegation. Given Ainta Dunn and Mr. Axelrod's preoccupation with Fox News, outright calls for a so called "war" on it, plus the fact that DOJ spent most of 2012 hacking Rosen's emails, phone calls and following him in and out of the country? They have come up with only an "allegation" and frankly to all but the Fox News obsessed it looks like what has always been normal investigative techniques are now suddenly supposed to be illegal. Olivier Knox at Yahoo News (who professes to being a friend of Rosen’s) minces no words in his report, calling the DOJ’s treatment of the Fox reporter “a chilling move sure to rile defenders of civil liberties.” ”The details of the government’s strategy against Rosen sound like something out of a spy novel,” writes Knox, who observes that Rosen’s alleged offenses “fall inside the bounds of traditional news reporting.”
    Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report
    And of course not only was Rosen the subject of this DOJ move but also two other Fox News employees, William LaJeunesse and producer Mike Levine were also similarly monitored by DOJ, added to the list with the rest and the AP.

    Media professionals from both the left and the right have offered similar criticism since the story broke.
    Chilling report: Obama’s DOJ spied on Fox News’ James Rosen; Criminalizes reporting; Update: Fox issues statement | Twitchy

    As AP President Gary Pruitt said on CBS’ “Face the Nation” Sunday that the AP records grab was not only unconstitutional but damaging to the operation of the press. “It will hurt,” he said. “We’re already seeing some impact. Officials are saying they’re reluctant to talk.”


    Now remember this all occurred at the exact same time as the Obama administration itself apologized to Israel for their leak of classified information on its recent bombing of targets in Syria to the media… leaks that most analysts believe has made the situation in the Middle East even more dangerous, by provoking a response from Syria and its allies. No need to investigate that fact, not allegation for the DOJ is there?
    Report: Obama Administration Apologizes for Another National Security Leak

    I'll wait for cooler heads to prevail and some serious bird dogging of the rather inconsistent DOJ before I'll sign on to calling for the head of any reporter by this DOJ. Though I do understand the appeal to Faux News obsessives here.

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

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    Heads on both sides should roll for this. Mr Kim's for leaking national security information unto the press and Rosen for conspiring to break the law.
    Yet more grasping at straws to justify the actions of this Chicago mob-style president and administration.

    Such filth occupying the White House.

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    You're the one defending thuggery and corruption here

    Where was Obama during the 7 hour Benghazi attack? Where was he and what was he doing? If Benghazi is the new Birther movement, tell us where Obama was and what was he doing.

    Tell us the crime committed by Rosen here. He's a journalist soliciting information. The Government seized his personal emails and private communications. You're defending that. Why?
    Here's the crime you are defending.....


    "...The case began when Rosen reported on June 11, 2009, that U.S. intelligence believed North Korea might respond to tighter United Nations sanctions with new nuclear tests. Rosen reported that the information came from CIA sources inside the hermetic Stalinist state.

    Investigators zeroed in on State Department arms expert Stephen Jin-Woo Kim, who was among a small group of intelligence officials to receive a top-secret report on the issue the same day that Rosen's piece ran online...."

    Investigators looking into disclosures of sensitive information about North Korea got Rosen’s telephone records and a warrant for his personal emails but also used his State Department security badge to track his movements in and out of that building, the Post reported, citing court documents.

    And just what did Rosen do? Here's Reyes in an affidavit to support his request for a search warrant:

    “From the beginning of their relationship, the Reporter asked, solicited and encouraged Mr. Kim to disclose sensitive United States internal documents and intelligence information about the Foreign Country," the FBI agent wrote. "The Reporter did so by employing flattery and playing to Mr. Kim’s vanity and ego.”

    "Much like an intelligence officer would run an clandestine intelligence source, the Reporter instructed Mr. Kim on a covert communications plan," Reyes said, explicitly comparing reportorial tactics to espionage...."



    You're defending someone who knowingly commited espionage against the U.S., Bronson. How patriotic of you.

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    The article makes it sound like it is probably solicitation borderline conspiracy. Now whether or not his first amendment rights will allow his behavior is a different question, but there are elements to a conspiracy crime there.
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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
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    Heads on both sides should roll for this. Mr Kim's for leaking national security information unto the press and Rosen for conspiring to break the law.
    Rosen is being accused of trying to report the news. He did nothing more than what investigative journalists do every day, which is solicit information from officials. If he is guilty of a crime then so is every other reporter in Washington, DC.

    Obama has already prosecuted more leakers under the 1917 Espionage Act than all other administrations put together.

    Obama must get pointers on his relationship with the press from Putin.

    The DOJ has gone completely out of control. I predict that a federal judge is going to slap them down good and hard.

    What would really ruin Obama is if the press got so po'd with him that they just start reporting everything on him, just like they would a Republican president. He'd be toast in no time.

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Here's the crime you are defending.....


    "...The case began when Rosen reported on June 11, 2009, that U.S. intelligence believed North Korea might respond to tighter United Nations sanctions with new nuclear tests. Rosen reported that the information came from CIA sources inside the hermetic Stalinist state.

    Investigators zeroed in on State Department arms expert Stephen Jin-Woo Kim, who was among a small group of intelligence officials to receive a top-secret report on the issue the same day that Rosen's piece ran online...."

    Investigators looking into disclosures of sensitive information about North Korea got Rosen’s telephone records and a warrant for his personal emails but also used his State Department security badge to track his movements in and out of that building, the Post reported, citing court documents.

    And just what did Rosen do? Here's Reyes in an affidavit to support his request for a search warrant:

    “From the beginning of their relationship, the Reporter asked, solicited and encouraged Mr. Kim to disclose sensitive United States internal documents and intelligence information about the Foreign Country," the FBI agent wrote. "The Reporter did so by employing flattery and playing to Mr. Kim’s vanity and ego.”

    "Much like an intelligence officer would run an clandestine intelligence source, the Reporter instructed Mr. Kim on a covert communications plan," Reyes said, explicitly comparing reportorial tactics to espionage...."



    You're defending someone who knowingly commited espionage against the U.S., Bronson. How patriotic of you.
    I like how now the allegation has grown to Rosen committed espionage! Despite the fact that even DOJ has not alleged this. Bronson and his so called patriotism have no place in this discussion except as a personal attack.

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Depends on what you're asking. Enticing somebody to break the law is considered conspiracy at the very least.
    Maybe but since we're not actually talking about someone enticing someone else to do anything, it seems another pointless point.

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Maybe but since we're not actually talking about someone enticing someone else to do anything, it seems another pointless point.
    Actually, one source (can't find the link, should have bookmarked it) called this whole matter a flame broiled nothing burger that has an odd chiling effect on civil liberties and the rights of a free press being pressed by a DOJ that ignores admissions of leaks from the administration itself. It's all about "focus" obviously.

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
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    Heads on both sides should roll for this. Mr Kim's for leaking national security information unto the press and Rosen for conspiring to break the law.
    1. I would like to say that I appreciate that this guy's last name is "Rosen" just like "David Rosen", a reporter on the show Scandal who has a vaguely similar and equally compelling story line.

    2. I need more information and more time to mull this case over to decide what I think about all this. The headline for the article clearly casts the Obama admin as the villain (and its author admits that he is a friend of Rosen's). At the same time, Rosen and Kim seem to have engaged in behavior that is problematic by, at least certain standards. There's also the fact that while I don't support the leaking of info that is detrimental to the United States without outweighing benefits, I otherwise have no problem with the media reporting info that it gets from inside sources.

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