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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Can I suggest some brands of green tea? They'll help you sleep at night and not try and derail threads with your nonsense.
    You're the one defending thuggery and corruption here

    Where was Obama during the 7 hour Benghazi attack? Where was he and what was he doing? If Benghazi is the new Birther movement, tell us where Obama was and what was he doing.

    Tell us the crime committed by Rosen here. He's a journalist soliciting information. The Government seized his personal emails and private communications. You're defending that. Why?

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Wrong on all counts. Manning, like Kim, had a different duty under law and constitution. They are both on the hook legally. Assange is a foreign national receiving classified information that put currently deployed US assets at risk - precisely what the FISA and the PA were written to address. A US reporter reporting on information obtained doesn't fit in with any of your examples.
    He's not merely reporting, did you read the article? He purposely asked somebody to break the law so he could get fodder for a news article. That's not constitutionally protected in the least. Methods by which information is obtained are relevant to whether or not a reporter is within their constitutional right to freedom of the press. For example, a reporter who gains information through blackmail, is within their constitutional right to publish that information, they're not immune from the laws which they broke in order to gather it. If he had simply gathered the information from somebody who leaked it, he'd have no legal issues, however the article makes it clear that he enticed somebody to break the law in order to gather information. Again, not constitutionally protected.
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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He's not merely reporting, did you read the article? He purposely asked somebody to break the law so he could get fodder for a news article. That's not constitutionally protected in the least. Methods by which information is obtained are relevant to whether or not a reporter is within their constitutional right to freedom of the press. For example, a reporter who gains information through blackmail, is within their constitutional right to publish that information, they're not immune from the laws which they broke in order to gather it.
    You're flat out wrong. Thank goodness too. Your strawman won't work here, there was no blackmail involved. The reporter asked the official the questions and got the answers. The official broke the law by answering the reporter, the reporter did not break the law by asking the questions or reporting on the answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're flat out wrong. Thank goodness too. Your strawman won't work here, there was no blackmail involved.
    Who said there was? I gave an example of how freedom of the press is not a get out of jail free card. Methods and information in question matter.

    The reporter asked the official the questions and got the answers. The official broke the law by answering the reporter, the reporter did not break the law by asking the questions or reporting on the answers.
    He conspired for somebody to break the law, that's not constitutionally protected. Which kind of shows why he had to use "coded" signals in order to get the information he wanted. If he wasn't breaking the law in ANY way, why the secrecy?
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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He's not merely reporting, did you read the article? He purposely asked somebody to break the law so he could get fodder for a news article. That's not constitutionally protected in the least. Methods by which information is obtained are relevant to whether or not a reporter is within their constitutional right to freedom of the press. For example, a reporter who gains information through blackmail, is within their constitutional right to publish that information, they're not immune from the laws which they broke in order to gather it. If he had simply gathered the information from somebody who leaked it, he'd have no legal issues, however the article makes it clear that he enticed somebody to break the law in order to gather information. Again, not constitutionally protected.
    That's a pretty poor analogy.

    Blackmail is illegal in and of itself. Asking someone for something is not.

    Rosen hasn't been charged with anything and I would assume if he ever is, he won't be found guilty.

    I wonder if we would be having this conversation if it was a New York Times reporter being charged by a Republican administration though.

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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

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    There are DOZENS of threads to discuss and debate Benghazi. This thread has a topic, I suggest people stick to IT and not attempt to thread jack it. Simply because a thread somehow tangentally touches upon Obama or the State Department does not give you carte blanche to turn it into "Benghazi debat #2517"
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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're flat out wrong. Thank goodness too. Your strawman won't work here, there was no blackmail involved. The reporter asked the official the questions and got the answers. The official broke the law by answering the reporter, the reporter did not break the law by asking the questions or reporting on the answers.
    The Obama Administration is trying to criminalize textbook journalism

    Most of the biased corrupt press are stenographers anyways, but there are still a few left out there that practice real journalism from time to time. This just shows a pattern of behavior from the corrupt Obama Administration. Target and intimidate. Create fear.

    Rosen and the AP and not the targets here. They are the example for everyone else to see to make them get in line and report only what these Chicago thugs approve of. What I want to know is why the OP and other like minded individuals like him SUPPORT this nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    That's a pretty poor analogy.

    Blackmail is illegal in and of itself. Asking someone for something is not.
    Depends on what you're asking. Enticing somebody to break the law is considered conspiracy at the very least.
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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He conspired for somebody to break the law, that's not constitutionally protected. Which kind of shows why he had to use "coded" signals in order to get the information he wanted. If he wasn't breaking the law in ANY way, why the secrecy?
    I get your anger, and I'm somewhat leaning that direction too. However, this IS different than blackmail. Blackmail would be actively forcing or coercing another person to break the law for the journalist. In this case, the Journalist is asking for information and the guy is giving it.

    I understand the anger and frustration at it, but I also understand a hestitance to go after the journalist. Anytime a journalist is posting a story concerning information that leaked to him via illegal activity could technically fall into the same type of thing. I can understand that there's a difference and fine line between ACTIVELY assisting, coercing, or forcing someone to break the law to get your story...and simply asking for information and leaving it up to the individual to do or not. For example, should the journalist posting private emails illegally obtained from Sarah Palin's computer some time back be arrested for conspiring to commit a crime since he at least had some contact with the person that did it, however vague, and participated in the act by publishing it.

    For Kim, there's no question...the book has to be thrown at him there. But when it comes to the reporter, this is a FAR trickier situation and I can understand the fervor and/or hesitation of both sides.
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    re: Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report [W:85]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He conspired for somebody to break the law, that's not constitutionally protected. Which kind of shows why he had to use "coded" signals in order to get the information he wanted. If he wasn't breaking the law in ANY way, why the secrecy?
    I hate to state the obvious but Kim was breaking the law and risking his job.
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