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    Re: Health Law Costs: Employers Eye Bare-Bones Plans - WSJ.com

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It doesn't matter. The House is in the process of repealing Obamacare. I don't know if the repeal will make it through senate presently (it may but I'm not holding my breath) however, this certainly will be a major issue come the midterm senate race, and despite what the progressive sheeple say - the strong majority are against Obamacare - even many democrats.
    Voting to repeal it 37 times and expecting it to pass the senate is insanity.

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    Re: Health Law Costs: Employers Eye Bare-Bones Plans - WSJ.com

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Yes, and then there will no longer be a number of those worthless, 'safe auto'-type plans, but one universal, worthless, 'safe auto'-type plan.
    that hasn't really been the case in other first world countries. we're paying much more money for poorer outcomes, and on top of that, health care is currently employer-specific. this is bad for the employee, and it makes the employer less competitive. it's time to scrap this system and try something else.

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    Re: Health Law Costs: Employers Eye Bare-Bones Plans - WSJ.com

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Voting to repeal it 37 times and expecting it to pass the senate is insanity.
    That's why I said it will be a major issue come midterms next summer/fall.

    If republicans/non-progressives gain a few seats in the senate - Obamycare is history.

    Presently the house (both democrats and republicans) is just ripping the bill apart.

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    Re: Health Law Costs: Employers Eye Bare-Bones Plans - WSJ.com

    Funny how the people who don't think the govt should require people to have any insurance at all are now complaining because the govt doesn't require people to have comprehensive insurance coverage
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Health Law Costs: Employers Eye Bare-Bones Plans - WSJ.com

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    That's why I said it will be a major issue come midterms next summer/fall.

    If republicans/non-progressives gain a few seats in the senate - Obamycare is history.

    Presently the house (both democrats and republicans) is just ripping the bill apart.
    If the republicans gain control of the senate, expect to see every attempt to dismantle Obamacare or any attempts to legislate a extreme conservative agenda will encounter 2 words: filibuster and veto.

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    Re: Health Law Costs: Employers Eye Bare-Bones Plans - WSJ.com

    Any broad plan that is trying to change how healthcare is provided and bend the long term cost curve is going to have issues and require changes over time. Generally the idea that out of the box something has to be perfect is "all or nothing" thinking and can lead to paralysis. You can beat the drum that Obamacare has serious issues (which no one will disagree with) but overall...it's taking us in the right direction. Granted...universal healthcare would of been more popular over time in my opinion but it is what it is.
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    Re: Health Law Costs: Employers Eye Bare-Bones Plans - WSJ.com

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    If the republicans gain control of the senate, expect to see every attempt to dismantle Obamacare or any attempts to legislate a extreme conservative agenda will encounter 2 words: filibuster and veto.
    Democrats are too lazy to filibuster (and republicans have epic patience), not to mention Obama is in deep **** right now and it will be even worse a year from now. Obama could be in the middle of an impeachment a year from now, so I don't see him using executive powers when he could potentially be "mr. big" in a conspiracy or conspiracies.

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    Re: Health Law Costs: Employers Eye Bare-Bones Plans - WSJ.com

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    So how do you fund universal health care for 310 million people?
    there are a lot of potential choices. we should study the systems of other first world countries, pick the best parts of each one, and custom fit a solution for the US.

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    Re: Health Law Costs: Employers Eye Bare-Bones Plans - WSJ.com

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    there are a lot of potential choices. we should study the systems of other first world countries, pick the best parts of each one, and custom fit a solution for the US.
    Many people don't realize the actual problem with our present system.

    The problem is that the majority of those who don't have healthcare plans are the ones who use the ER's the most, they're also the ones that sue the most driving up malpractice insurance...

    I'm from Chicago, 10-20+ people get shot everyday.... Do you think gangbangers have insurance? so who pays for their $250,000 surgery when they get "swisscheesed?"

    Our present system would work just fine if people didn't do **** like get shot over gang stuff or go to ER's with the nefarious intent of suing over malpractice...

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    Re: Health Law Costs: Employers Eye Bare-Bones Plans - WSJ.com

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    there are a lot of potential choices. we should study the systems of other first world countries, pick the best parts of each one, and custom fit a solution for the US.
    Since we have far and away the most expensive and inefficient system in the world, that would be a good place to start.
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