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    Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House


    Representative Dave Camp, Republican of Michigan, the usually mild-mannered chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, set the tone Friday at Congress’s first hearing on the targeting of conservative groups by the I.R.S., laying out details, from the alleged threatening of donors to conservative nonprofit groups to the leaking of confidential I.R.S. documents.


    In that context, he said, the screening of Tea Party groups for special scrutiny was not the scandal itself but “just the latest example of a culture of cover-ups — and political intimidation — in this administration.”


    It seems like the truth is hidden from the American people just long enough to make it through an election,” Mr. Camp said.


    Republicans raised a long list of issues.


    The Republicans also criticized the publication of donors to the National Organization for Marriage, a group opposed to same-sex marriage. That donors list surfaced mysteriously in March 2012 from a whistle-blower whose identity is still unknown.


    Linkage to the health care law came through Sarah Hall Ingram, a longtime I.R.S. official... which contained the political targeting effort.


    “This is an audit, and it’s helpful,” Representative Tim Griffin, Republican of Arkansas, said of the investigation of I.R.S. targeting... “but it’s the tip of the iceberg.”


    The inspector general gave Republicans some fodder Friday when he divulged that he informed the Treasury’s general counsel he was auditing the I.R.S.’s screening of politically active groups seeking tax exemptions on June 4, 2012... That meant Obama administration officials were aware of the matter during the presidential campaign year.

    Still, Inspector General J. Russell George’s testimony fueled efforts by Congressional Republicans to ensnare Mr. Obama in the scandals suddenly swirling over the White House.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/18/us...nted=2&_r=3&hp
    Someone at the NY Times made a mistake... they hit the send instead of delete button!

    Isn't it wonderful how your government simply leaks confidential tax documents and then the doo-doo is covered up until after the election.

    I think we should expand the mafia... KGB... I mean IRS... they need to be sure everyone is 100% intimidated. We need order because this new administration has brought Hope, Change and Transparency... and if you don't agree and if you no a likey... you better make sure you stay out of politics and keep a big Shaddup.

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    I thot the best comment from Steven Miller was "these actions were not partisan". ROTFLOLOL Hmmm let's see ONLY conservatives were targeted, ZERO liberals. Yep.....just coincidence right??? Long live the low information voter!

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Someone at the NY Times made a mistake... they hit the send instead of delete button!
    look at the comments section. the readers have no problem with the scandal. the IRS is just doing their job according to that target demographic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    look at the comments section. the readers have no problem with the scandal. the IRS is just doing their job according to that target demographic.
    Soooooo what would you surmise the aggregate iq is of readers of the NYT???

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Their 'eye' should not be on the WH...it should be on whoever was guilty. Start with those that actually DID the deed, then move on to those that ordered it and follow the actual actions. Where it leads...so be it. The rhetoric that it was "2 rogue IRS workers" is just plain stupid, considering it happened in several different offices and involved sending privacy information act data to political operatives.

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    the atlantic:

    There Was No Surge in IRS Tax-Exempt Applications in 2010 - Garance Franke-Ruta - The Atlantic

    There Was No Surge in IRS Tax-Exempt Applications in 2010.

    Fewer groups sought recognition as 501(c)(4) social welfare organizations that year than in 2009, according to the Treasury Department.
    just another lie:

    A huge increase in workload, rather than deliberate targeting, led to "foolish mistakes" and the political discrimination in the Internal Revenue Service cited by an inspector general's report, the agency's outgoing commissioner said Friday.

    In his opening remarks Friday, Miller described an IRS division that handles requests for tax exempt status by political groups as overwhelmed by a surge that followed the Supreme Court's 2010 Citizens United decision, which greatly expanded the ability of corporations, unions and other organizations to participate in election spending, though not through direct contributions to candidates or parties.

    "I think that what happened here was that foolish mistakes were made by people who were trying to be more efficient in their workload selection," Miller said, calling the practices described in the inspector general's report as "intolerable" and a "mistake," but "not an act of partisanship."
    IRS official: political targeting unintended | CNN

    obama's fired irs commissioner chalks it all up to "horrible customer service"

    customers!

    LOL!

    WE, y'all, ie, all of US united states american taxpaying citizens, are CUSTOMERS of barack hussein obama's internal targeting service...

    this guy's really got an EAR

    more from cnn:

    Democrats sought to balance rejection of any perception of political manipulation by the IRS in the case with an effort to portray the situation as a poorly managed increase in demand for tax exempt status by political groups.

    Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Washington, said the vast majority of the increased applications for tax exempt status after the Citizens United decision were from "far right groups," while fellow Democratic Rep. Richard Neal of Washington said the conservative organizations wanted to be involved politically without revealing donors -- as allowed for the 501 (c) (4) groups under the federal tax code.

    "It all started right after Citizens United," McDermott said, adding that political groups "saw the door open" and thought that "we can get in, we can do political advertising."

    He described a difference between "stupid mistakes and deliberate mistakes," adding that the IRS officials handling the requests took a shortcut "they deeply regret."
    lois lerner the exemption lady who's not good at math, former commissioner douglas shulman, and deputy treasury secretary neal wolin will all testify under oath next wednesday in evil darrell issa's obnoxious oversight committee

    tigta has testified that lerner knew in 2011, shulman in may of 2012, and wolin was made aware on june 4 of that year

    miller knew exactly everything that cincy was doing, says tigta, in may of 2012---he's been lying to congress ever since

    no spin, lynn

    seeya in committee, bring a comfy chair

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    look at the comments section. the readers have no problem with the scandal. the IRS is just doing their job according to that target demographic.
    Hey, I saw I got a "like" here. There's a 15 page thread already started, so I figured I'd post it there instead. I'd say we get the mods to merge the threads.

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Oceandan View Post
    I thot the best comment from Steven Miller was "these actions were not partisan". ROTFLOLOL Hmmm let's see ONLY conservatives were targeted, ZERO liberals. Yep.....just coincidence right??? Long live the low information voter!
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    more from cnn (link above):

    "When asked the truth and you know the truth and you have a legal responsibility to inform others of the truth but you don't share that truth, what is that called?" Camp asked.

    "I always answer questions truthfully, Mr. Camp," Miller replied.

    A tense exchange with Rep. Diane Black, a Tennessee Republican, involved Miller's denial that what he called the "listing" of names or phrases that triggered extra scrutiny of exemption requests amounted to political "targeting," the word used in the inspector general's report.

    Miller acknowledged that the list of triggering phrases was conservative-based, causing Black to cut him off by declaring: "Then I would say its targeted. You can't have that both ways."

    GOP Rep. Devin Nunes of California later asked why Miller resigned if he wasn't personally involved in the improper acts. Miller replied: "I resigned because as the acting commissioner, what happens in the IRS, whether I was personally involved or not, stopped at my desk."

    "And so, I should be held accountable for what happens," he said. "Whether I was personally involved or not, a very different question, sir."

    Another Republican, Rep. Tom Reed of New York, took exception with Miller's characterization of his resignation, noting it meant he would retire with full benefits and "nothing bad is going to happen to you."

    With an incredulous grin, Miller responded: "Nothing bad is happening to me, congressman?"

    Reed remained stern-faced, noting Miller continued to get his taxpayer-funded salary.

    "You're getting paid for being here today, right?" Reed asked, to which Miller, his smile gone, dryly replied: "Right."

    After the hearing, Camp described a "disturbing lack of detail and information" during testimony.

    "We're going to continue to pursue this, as a committee, to find out who knew what, when, where, and how these decisions were made and how they were carried out," he said.
    mr miller really agrees with everyone on the committee from cruel dave camp to somewhat softer sander levin, except for 2 things

    1. he insists he didn't lie to congress when he repeatedly said the irs was NOT treating tea partiers differently, except he agrees now that they were, that he didn't lie, he was WRONG but he didn't mislead...

    and 2. going after tea and patriot and those opposed to obamacare while showing no interest in progressives or liberals or sham charities run by barack obama's scofflaw brother is NO indication of anything political nor partisan...

    which, more power to him, he's under oath, at least he didn't take the 5th

    if that's what he wants to say, it's his prerogative

    he will be subponaed, he may in a year or so be indicted

    let him sweat

    camp: we're gonna pursue this to find out who, how, when, why...

    and YOU wanna put a cork in it?

    coverup

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    The real irony is if this was 2002, and it was the Bush white house doing this to the leftits they'd be screaming and hollering big time. Remember how they were over the ouster of Plame and the secret meetings the enviro wacko's couldn't attend regarding energy policies?

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