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    re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Congressional hearing turns into IRS smackdown as disgraced former commissioner and Treasury Inspector General face tea-party scandal questions | Mail Online

    Sander Levin, the panel's ranking Democrat, said the IRS and its employees 'have completely failed the American people' by 'singling out organizations for review based on their name or political views, rather than their activity.'

    'All of us are angry about this on behalf of the nation,' the left-leaning Michigan congressman said.

    Lois Lerner is the civil servant who heads up the IRS division in charge of evaluating charitable and other nonprofit organizations. Levin called for her head.

    'Ms. Lerner should be relieved of her duties.' he said.

    We must seek the truth, not political gain.'

    Washington Democrat Jim McDermott, a reliable liberal partisan, acknowledged that 'the IRS stiff-armed us, basically, at best,' in past testimony, but defended the agency''s behavior.

    Tax 'examiners took a shortcut,' in the face of a flood of new applications for tax-exempt status, he said, 'which they deeply regret'

    Still, he conceded that it was wrong to treat groups differently because of their political positions.

    'As much as I dislike the right,' he said, 'I think it's wrong to be un-evenhanded in government application' of laws and regulations.

    New York Democrat Charles Rangel took issue with the Supreme Court's 2010 'Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission' ruling, which he said created en environment that resulted in the IRS's malfeasance.

    The underlying problem, he said, was a resulting law 'almost written for abuse,' as it prohibits Congress from interfering with 501(c)(4) groups' political spending.

    'This is not "Democrat or Republican,"' Rangel said. 'It relates to the integrity of the government.'

    'We're on the same side as far as determining how this happened.'

    Rangel told Miller that he wanted the 'tens of thousands of IRS employees [to] have the stigma of corruption taken away from them.'

    'Whether this is criminal activity or a mistake,' the New York Democrat said, 'I don't know.'
    we'll find out, charlie, all in good time

    ms lerner, former commissioner shulman (whom tigta told in may, 2012, who lied under oath repeatedly to congress, denying adamantly that tea partiers were subject to any special treatment) and deputy treasury secretary neal wolpin (whom tigta testified today was told on 6-4-12) will appear before evil darrell issa on may 22, next wednesday

    worry

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    re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Do you have a link to you assertion?
    you are certainly in no position to ask, do you substantiate all your assertions with a source

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    re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    I hate to admit , but Nixon reminds me of the good old days, when the Right was made up of hardheaded pragmatists...........Now, I just want to sell them plastic Jesus love beads..........................
    There was probably more religion in 'the good old days'.

    There is still a great deal of religion among the Black Democrats, but they are not usually thought of as 'hardheaded pragmatists'

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    re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    I think the American people are entitled to know just how much in taxes the Tea Party isn't paying in taxes because of all their "philanthropic" works............................

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    re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I beg your pardon. You may be right about Bill Clinton as all he did was have a BJ in the oval office.
    No he lied to a Grand Jury thereby committing perjury. He had plenty of affairs and no one really cared, but you dont lie to a Grand Jury. Of course he thought he could get away with it, not knowing about that little blue dress. Remember how the media attacked these women??? It was disgraceful!

    All I am saying here, if the republicans over reach like they did going after Clinton, they will pay a price in 2014 and lose seats instead of picking them up. They should be going after the truth and working with the Democrats to curb some of the power of the IRS. This is a golden opportunity. Both parties should be searching to truth, find the problem, fix the problem and knock down the IRS a couple of notches.
    Do you really believe that Barrack Obama and his supporters are interested in 'going after the truth'? That's too unrealistic, given Obama's record and that of his staff.

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    re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    the republican chair

    Committee chair Dave Camp, a Michigan Republican, stared down Miller, saying that 'this systemic abuse cannot be fixed with just one resignation.'

    'And as much as I expect more people need to go, the reality is this is not a personnel problem,' Camp maintained. 'This is a problem of the IRS being too large, too powerful, too intrusive and too abusive of honest, hardworking taxpayers.'
    link above

    do you want to argue with congressman camp...

    y'know, in front of people?

    knock yourself out

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    re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    you are certainly in no position to ask, do you substantiate all your assertions with a source
    There is the possibility that it was the 'Independents' who went after the Tea Party and like organizations.

    Nah, just kidding. It was the democrats all right.

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    this guy's in trouble

    Illinois Republican Rep. Peter Roskam quizzed Miller about a phone conversation he said he had with Lerner about the planned disclosure, which Miller said was intended to coincide with a disclosure to Congress.

    He agreed with Roskam, however, that Congress wasn't told at the same time a question was 'planted' at the bar association conference.

    'We called to try to get on the calendar' of the Ways and Means Committee,' Miller said.

    'You called to try to get on the calendar?' Roskam asked, incredulous. 'Is that all you've got?'

    'It's the truth,' Miller responded.

    Under questioning from California Republican Rep. Devin Nunes, Miller said he would not commit to giving Congress his notes, phone records, and other evidence of conversations with Lerner.

    Nunes reminded him that Congress could, and might, subpoena them.

    In a stunning flashback moment, Louisiana Republican Rep. Charles Boustany played a video clip showing former IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman testifying before the House Ways and Means Subcommittee on Oversight in March 2012.

    'Can you give us assurances that the IRS is not targeting particular groups based on political leanings?' Boustany, the subcommittee's chairman, asked Shulman then.

    'There's absolutely no targeting,' the then-commissioner responded in 2012. 'This is the kind of back-and-forth that happens when people apply for 501(c)(4) status.'

    Asked Friday if this was a lie, Miller said 'It was incorrect.'

    'But whether or not it was untruthful --' he continued, without reaching a conclusion.

    'Why did you mislead Congress and the American people on this?' Boustany asked.

    'Congressman, I did not mislead Congress or the American people,' Miller responded.

    Paul Ryan, the Republicans' vice presidential nominee in 2012, slammed Miller for what he said was less-than-truthful testimony when he appeared before a subcommittee last year. Although he had been briefed by then about the problems with tax-exempt applications from tea party groups, he said nothing.
    Miller hid material facts from Congress, Ryan said.

    'How can we conclude that you did not mislead this committee?'

    Miller fired back. 'I stand by my answers,' he said, saying that the word '"harassment" implies political motivation' on the part of IRS employees.

    'There was no political motivation,' he insisted.
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    mr miller aint no eric holder

    that is, he doesn't have any doyen willing to defend him

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    re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    And you want me to take advice from a democrat it was the democrats who asked the IRS to target these Tea party groups to start with

    And i have serious question all the democrats are telling republicans not to score political points but how in the hell do you ask a question that the answer will be damaging to Obama and have it not be considered scoring political points

    It is a feeble lame attempt to scare republicans and put a muzzle on them so they wont ask the tough questions that need to be asked to get to the bottom of this

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    i was going to let this go but the more i think about it the more it piss me off. how dare you or any one else scold me or the republicans about scoring political points. the dam democrats stood on the graves of children to score political points to push an unconstitutional agenda so DON'T YOU DARE SCOLD ME ABOUT SCORING POLITICAL POINTS
    Just advice, not scolding at all. The Republicans overstepped their bounds back when they tried to impeach Bill Clinton and they paid for it in the 1998 mid term elections. Sure they only lost 5 House seats, but that was the first time since 1822 that the party out of power failed to gain seats in the mid term election of a presidents second term.

    There is an old saying, those who do not learn from history will commit its same mistakes again and again. Besides their is not R or D next to my name. I distrust both parties. But this was just a warning from shall I say, a third party.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    re bold: Do you have a link to you assertion?

    "From Max Baucus to Chuck Schumer to Jeanne Shaheen, key Senate Democrats publicly pressured the IRS to target groups that held differing political views and who, in their view, had the temerity to engage in the political process. The IRS listened to them and acted. And other Democrat senators like Kay Hagan and Mark Pryor said and did nothing about it."

    Senate Democrats Pushed for IRS Tea Party Snooping Before Criticizing It - Brian Walsh (usnews.com)

    you liberals really need to stop only getting your news from Huff and Puff post, Buzz Feed, Mother Jones, Media Maters, and MSNBC because all they are doing is treating you like a mushroom they keep you and the dark and feed you crap
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