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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Tea Party members and supporters are by definition actual or at least wishful tax evaders. What better place to look for those trying to evade taxes than an organization called "Taxed Enough Already"?
    If taxes are lowered you aren't evading taxes. I think you were thinking of John Kerry.

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Tea Party members and supporters are by definition actual or at least wishful tax evaders. What better place to look for those trying to evade taxes than an organization called "Taxed Enough Already"?
    So you're cool with profiling? How progressive of you...
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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    When one side is heavily scrutinized and the other side is not, that's political bias regardless of what the OIG may have said. If all the white applicants to a country club were accepted for membership and all the black applicants were rejected, that would be taken as discrimination regardless of whether the local county judge deemed it so.

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    But thats just it, we don't know that, at least yet. I know how ridiculously unfair it sounds when the criteria for the BOLO is so obviously biased. That's unacceptable. But as far as we know, it was just optics. What counts are results. Were conservative groups actually targeted at a higher rate? And if they were, why?

    So far, the only group that we know was that denied 501(c)(4) status was a progressive group who didn't campaign or engage in the political process. Instead their mission was to educate women so that they could run for office.

    The IRS rightly rejected them. Thats not a predominantly social welfare mission.

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    No, as stated mere presumption. But IF there was a comparative number of 'progressive/liberal' biased organizations where scrutiny was asserted wouldn't the IG have logically reported that there was no 'lean' to the scrutiny?
    There was certainly bias in that particular criteria. And conservatives have a right to be upset by it.

    But having one biased criteria does not mean that conservatives were subjected to a biased amount of investigation. It raises flags that it might be the case, but it's not actually proof. It's the smoke, not the fire.

    We know that at least one liberal group was denied, but no conservative groups... at least not yet. But even this is proof of nothing.

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I've seen that also (IG report I think) but who/what are the other two-thirds? Isn't their 'description' relatedly important to the discussion? I can only presume that there are no progressive/liberal organizations due to it not being used as a defense of the IRS activities which if it were the case would be quite legitimate.
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    Correct. The point is not that conservatives were exclusively targeted, but that they were disproportionately targeted. Liberals, meanwhile, got an almost universal free pass. Alexandra Petri of the Washington Post published a hilarious send-up of this on 17 May.

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    That's BS, if the Republicans think they're being targeted, its only because they what the identity of their political donors to be unknown to the public. Corporation X doesn't the public to know they are contributing for or against candidate Y. Also today it is very possible these so-called super PAC are accepting donations from off shore entities.

    Scrutiny of Political Nonprofits Sets Off Claim of Harassment

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    Senate Democrats are readying a fresh legislative push to demand that such groups disclose their donors and attach disclaimers to their political advertising identifying the advertisement’s primary funders. Tax experts are also raising concerns that corporate donors to “super PACs” may be deducting their contributions as business expenses.

    “The shadowy attack ads we see every day should be brought into the light,” said Senator Michael Bennet, Democrat of Colorado. “The largest contributors should stand by the ads they’ve paid for, the voters should know who’s behind these ads, and these super PACs should not be allowed to abuse our tax code by masquerading as nonprofit charities.”

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    So you're cool with profiling? How progressive of you...
    I'm "cool" with looking for tax evaders and cheats in the likely places that they will be found.
    The Department of Homeland Security should look for terrorists among groups that denounce America.
    The IRS should look for tax cheats among groups that denounce the need to pay any taxes.
    If that is profiling then so be it. Law enforcement would call it effective investigation. It is not inconsistent with progressive ideology to catch greed driven criminals, regardless of their politics.
    If you want to catch tax cheats it makes sense to look at the organizations that give them the impedance to cheat.
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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    ...We know that at least one liberal group was denied, but no conservative groups... at least not yet. But even this is proof of nothing.
    We do? Who was it? Link please.
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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    That's BS, if the Republicans think they're being targeted, its only because they what the identity of their political donors to be unknown to the public. Corporation X doesn't the public to know they are contributing for or against candidate Y. Also today it is very possible these so-called super PAC are accepting donations from off shore entities.

    Scrutiny of Political Nonprofits Sets Off Claim of Harassment
    Ok, are left leaning organizations wanting to keep their donors unknown similarly? If yes then why the scrutiny of apparently just right wing c4's? If no then why didn't the Democrats, who maintained the majority in Congress and WH, change the 'rules' legislatively after Citizens united? And before you walk out the filibuster argument there has been enough talk of campaign finance reform by BOTH side it is a weak return.
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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Except by their own admission, the spike didn't occur until 2012, which was 18 months after they started their "special" process. In 2009 and 2010, there were 1700 applications. In 2012, it was 3600.
    I take "these kind of applications" as political groups claiming to be social welfare groups. 1700 is total applications. How many of those constituted groups that are claiming this special non-profit status but are really just politcal action comittees?
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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I take "these kind of applications" as political groups claiming to be social welfare groups. 1700 is total applications. How many of those constituted groups that are claiming this special non-profit status but are really just politcal action comittees?
    This would be good to know. Further the breakdown of left/right leaning groups would be even more revealing. One of the impetuses of this audit was a letter from Schumer that referenced a NYT article that questioned the legitimacy of both leans...
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