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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
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    Conservative groups made up only a third of the targeted groups.
    I've seen that also (IG report I think) but who/what are the other two-thirds? Isn't their 'description' relatedly important to the discussion? I can only presume that there are no progressive/liberal organizations due to it not being used as a defense of the IRS activities which if it were the case would be quite legitimate.
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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I've seen that also (IG report I think) but who/what are the other two-thirds? Isn't their 'description' relatedly important to the discussion? I can only presume that there are no progressive/liberal organizations due to it not being used as a defense of the IRS activities which if it were the case would be quite legitimate.
    Are you basing that on anything? These were groups singled out for excessive political activity. 1/3 of those groups signaled out for unessasary poltiical activity were conservative groups. The other two thirds weren't. What does that make them? I don't know, but I'd guess that there were more than a few liberal groups in there.

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I've seen that also (IG report I think) but who/what are the other two-thirds? Isn't their 'description' relatedly important to the discussion? I can only presume that there are no progressive/liberal organizations due to it not being used as a defense of the IRS activities which if it were the case would be quite legitimate.
    Correct. The point is not that conservatives were exclusively targeted, but that they were disproportionately targeted. Liberals, meanwhile, got an almost universal free pass. Alexandra Petri of the Washington Post published a hilarious send-up of this on 17 May.

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    Next to normal — daily madness and the DSM-5. What's in a name? By Alexandra Petri May 17, 2013. Comments. Share: More . Facebook Twitter Reddit ...
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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Do you have a site we can look at.
    The OIG report. It's worth reading.

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Correct. The point is not that conservatives were exclusively targeted, but that they were disproportionately targeted. Liberals, meanwhile, got an almost universal free pass. Alexandra Petri of the Washington Post published a hilarious send-up of this on 17 May.
    There is no evidence to support this assertion. It may be true, but the OIG report went out of its way to indicate that there doesn't appear to be an indication of political bias.

    What we know is that the there were 298 groups targeted for political scrutiny. 201 were correctly targeted, 91 were targeted but should not have been and 144 weren't targeted but should have been.

    Also, we know that 1/3 of the 298 groups were conservative groups. You can't say there was bias until you know the number of conservative groups which should have been targeted and the number of conservative groups which were incorrectly targeted..

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Issa has done a fine job. Fact that Dems hate him is irrelevant.
    Same with Obama then. Just saying doesn't make it so.

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Are you basing that on anything? ...
    No, as stated mere presumption. But IF there was a comparative number of 'progressive/liberal' biased organizations where scrutiny was asserted wouldn't the IG have logically reported that there was no 'lean' to the scrutiny?
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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    there doesn't appear to be an indication of political bias
    McCaskill Calls For Firing Of All Involved In IRS Targeting Scandal CBS St. Louis

    “I’m mad. It is un-American, it is wrong, and we have to make sure that this gets fixed,” Missouri’s senior senator said. “There’s a reason Lady Justice wears a blindfold in America. That is because in America, we don’t apply the law based on who you are, who you know, or what you believe. We apply the law equally.”

    McCaskill went on to say that the targeting of one group based on political beliefs “infuriates” her.

    “We should not only fire the head of the IRS, which has occurred, but we’ve got to go down the line and find every single person who had anything to do with this and make sure that they are removed from the IRS and the word goes out that this is unacceptable,” she said. “It is un-American, it is wrong, and it cannot occur again.”

    McCaskill concluded by saying many groups claim to be charities while doing political work and that it is a problem which needs to be fixed “but not in a way that highlights one belief over another.”
    why can't barack obama state unequivocally he didn't know what was going on at his irs for 2 years?

    Though the White House counsel’s office was informed of the IRS probe in late April, Obama has insisted that he only learned about the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups through media reports last Friday. But he wouldn’t say definitively that the White House was unaware of the targeting before then.
    Obama pushes back on IRS, AP, Benghazi - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

    nyt is more declarative: "the obama administration knew about the irs scandal 5 months before the election"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/18/us....html?hp&_r=4&

    you can debate back and forth---for a year---but its the special prosecutor who's gonna have the say

    in the meantime, america can reflect

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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

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    You probably voted for him as VP. That's makes that fact that you can vote scary.
    Very quick to assume. I voted for Gary Johnson/ Jim Gray.
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    Re: Republicans Expand I.R.S. Inquiry, With Eye on White House

    Why does the title have Republicans in it when both sides are outraged about this scandle, or did Charles Rangel change sides?

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