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    Re: IRS Cincinnati Unit Gave Speedy Approval to Obama-named Foundation

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    It was clearly not a political group. Less scrutiny would be required.

    Tea Party groups, on the other hand, clearly are engaging in political activity.

    The examples you're looking for to show bias will be liberal groups that are left-wing equivalents of the tea party: clearly a primarily political organization.
    Was Media Matters caught up in this dragnet? Name all the Leftist NFP's that were. Thanks in advance.
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    Re: IRS Cincinnati Unit Gave Speedy Approval to Obama-named Foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Was Media Matters caught up in this dragnet? Name all the Leftist NFP's that were. Thanks in advance.
    You're the one who wants examples of bias. I don't think any of these groups should have tax-exempt status.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: IRS Cincinnati Unit Gave Speedy Approval to Obama-named Foundation

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    You're the one who wants examples of bias. I don't think any of these groups should have tax-exempt status.
    I don't either, but the reality is, they do and they have the right to equal treatment under the law. That right has been violated by the IRS.

    Somehow it doesn't surprise me in the least that the Libbos are defending this kind of government greed and tyranny.
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    Re: IRS Cincinnati Unit Gave Speedy Approval to Obama-named Foundation

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    I don't either, but the reality is, they do and they have the right to equal treatment under the law. That right has been violated by the IRS.

    Somehow it doesn't surprise me in the least that the Libbos are defending this kind of government greed and tyranny.
    And yet, no examples of equivalent groups.
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    Re: IRS Cincinnati Unit Gave Speedy Approval to Obama-named Foundation

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    And yet, no examples of equivalent groups.
    What do you mean?
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    Re: IRS Cincinnati Unit Gave Speedy Approval to Obama-named Foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It was clearly not a political group. Less scrutiny would be required.

    Tea Party groups, on the other hand, clearly are engaging in political activity.

    The examples you're looking for to show bias will be liberal groups that are left-wing equivalents of the tea party: clearly a primarily political organization.
    Why should anyone assume a priori that a group headed by Obama's brother is "clearly not a political group"?
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    Re: IRS Cincinnati Unit Gave Speedy Approval to Obama-named Foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
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    Obviously! If a white man like Richard Nixon had none this, nobody would have given it a second thought!
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    Re: IRS Cincinnati Unit Gave Speedy Approval to Obama-named Foundation

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    And yet, no examples of equivalent groups.
    Precisely! There's no record of left-wing groups complaining about this BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO.
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    Re: IRS Cincinnati Unit Gave Speedy Approval to Obama-named Foundation

    In the 27 months that the Internal Revenue Service put a hold on all Tea Party applications for non-profit status, it approved applications from similar liberal groups, a USA TODAY review of IRS data shows.

    As applications from conservative groups sat in limbo, groups with obviously liberal names were approved in as little as nine months. With names including words like "Progress" or "Progressive," these groups applied for the same tax status and were engaged in the same kinds of activities as the conservative groups.
    USAToday: IRS gave liberals a pass; Tea Party groups put on hold

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    Re: IRS Cincinnati Unit Gave Speedy Approval to Obama-named Foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Was Media Matters caught up in this dragnet? Name all the Leftist NFP's that were. Thanks in advance.
    Media Matters was formed in 2006, well before the period of time we are discussing. Its tax-exempt status would have been determined at that time.

    What is lost in all of this; why this is no where near the scandal that people are making it out be is that the 501(c)4 status is for groups who's PRIMARY purpose is promoting social welfare, not a political agenda. Specifically, it is appropriate for "Civic Leagues, Social Welfare Organizations, and Local Associations of Employees". The IRS has a duty to screen those that are political organizations from the 501(c)4 applicant pool, as that status is not appropriate for them.

    501(c) organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The controversy deals with 2009 to 2011, when the tea party was just getting going. Many, do I dare say most, of the new groups formed at that time were tea party groups. Hence, its just intelligent triage, which you want your IRS do be doing, to put the tea party applications in a separate pile, because they substantially political organizations that are walking a fine line in qualifying to be a 501(c)(4). In much the same way, claiming a home office as a business expense will get your tax return looked at (not necessarily audited, but looked at more closely). There is nothing political about this; it is just smart business.

    There were not a lot of new left-wing political groups being formed during this period. The economy was slow in 2009. The environment was hardly conducive to starting a new new business or a new health and welfare organization. Moreover, the nature of many left-wing groups, such as environmental groups or social welfare advocacy groups, better fit the 501(c)(4) definition as their purpose usually better fits the definition of the 501(c)(4) (social matters first; political advocacy second)....

    Moreover, the law (from Wikipedia article cited above) "...allows Section 501(c)(4) organizations to self-declare and hold themselves out as tax-exempt; they do not have to obtain any approval from the Internal Revenue Service, though they may.[46]...."... and no group was actually turned down. No harm; no foul!

    This is yet another controversy that the Cons have sunk their teeth into thinking there is something there; but when the fog of political war clears people will realize this is much to do about little.
    Last edited by upsideguy; 05-19-13 at 01:04 PM.

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