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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Lying is wrong doing......one cannot blame the Host country for Security.....then refuse to accept their warnings. This is and Was The Second Major lie by Team Obama. The First being that the Country was Hit on the Anniversary of 911 and that Obama was to worried about losing his election and was more interested in going out West Coast to party, having some drinks, and a really good time Laughing and Smiling, BSing, while raising money from his base.

    The 3rd lie was over the Anti Muslim Video.....Team Obama cannot deny that they misdirected the issue by falsifying information over a video and making false statements concerning Benghazi with connection to it.

    Clinton knew the conditions on the ground in Benghazi after the ouster of Gadhafi. Clinton also knew that Other Countries had closed their Embassies and got out of dodge. Moreover.....they knew about the Assassination Attempt on the Brits Ambassador and the Italians. Plus Clinton's People knew the same was going on with Police Chiefs and Judges and those that were sent in by the TNC for that part of Libya.

    Inappropriate Judgment Command is in effect here.....this would fall on Clinton. Regardless of the failed Security lapses.
    Could you please post the exact quote Susan Rice said and prove its a lie?

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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    I am not reading all of that. I have already read more of more reputable news sources. Now, pick one thing from one of those articles that has a reasonable amount of evidence to back it up that clearly demonstrates wrong doing by the Obama administration. MMC has come the closest, it is wrong to lie. There are many judgement calls that one can look about on and question, and that can be done any time anything happens. One shred of evidence...just one. Dont feel bad, I was just sitting here watching Issa on Oriley and he cant really explain his mindless accusations either.
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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

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    beast: U.S. Officials Knew Libya Attacks Were Work of Al Qaeda Affiliates - The Daily Beast

    cbs: Lt Col Woods says his 16 member team pulled a month before attack - CBS News

    the hill: GOP: US Consulate received repeated threats, had requested more security - The Hill's Global Affairs

    wapo: White House secret meetings examine al-Qaeda threat in North Africa - The Washington Post

    the hill: Report: FBI still not on scene in Benghazi - The Hill's DEFCON Hill

    wsj: Militant Link to Libya Attack - WSJ.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    beast: U.S. Consulate in Benghazi Bombed Twice in Run-Up to 9/11 Anniversary - The Daily Beast

    wapo: Sensitive documents left behind at U.S. diplomatic post in Libya - The Washington Post

    ex: Dems join chorus questioning Obama on attack | WashingtonExaminer

    wapo: Panetta says undetermined terrorist group carried out attack on US Consulate in Libya - The Washington Post

    abc: Some Administration Officials Were Concerned About Initial White House Push Blaming Benghazi Attack on Mob, Video - ABC News

    wsj: Gross Security Failure - WSJ.com

    abc: Security Concerns Keep FBI From Scene of Ambassador's Murder, Official Says - ABC News

    wapo: From video to terrorist attack: a definitive timeline of administration statements on the Libya attack - The Washington Post

    youtube: Tammy Duckworth: Marines Should Have Been in Benghazi - YouTube

    beast: Obama's Shaky Libya Narrative - The Daily Beast

    cns: Lieberman Calls for Independent Investigation into Libyan Attack | CNS News

    cnn: Exclusive: Amb. Chris Stevens worried about al Qaeda hit list – Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

    huffpo: CNN's Use Of Christopher Stevens' Journal Is 'Disgusting': State Dept.

    cbs: Why Did The White House Take So Long To Admit Libya Attack Was Terrorism? « CBS

    weekly standard: Permanent Spin | The Weekly Standard

    wsj: Miscues Before Libya Assault - WSJ

    independent: US 'was warned of Libya embassy attack but did nothing' - Independent.ie

    fox: Diplomatic, western posts targeted repeatedly in Benghazi in run-up to deadly assault | Fox News

    buzzfeed: US Embassy In Cairo Deletes Controversial Tweets

    sentinel: Administration Insists Benghazi Attack Not Premeditated | Atlantic Sentinel

    independent: Revealed: inside story of US envoy's assassination - World Politics - World - The Independent

    atlantic wire: Report: Ambassador Stevens Said He Was on an Al-Qaeda Hit List

    cns: Where Was Obama on Night of Benghazi Attack?

    cbs, 60 minutes: Obama Says Attacks In Libya And Egypt Are Just "Bumps In The Road" - YouTube
    Did you read or watch all of these links? Better question: Do you think anybody will consume any of them?

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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Could you please post the exact quote Susan Rice said and prove its a lie?
    Here are the relevant passages from that interview:


    BOB SCHIEFFER: And joining us now, Susan Rice, the U.N. ambassador, our U.N. ambassador. Madam Ambassador, he says this is something that has been in the planning stages for months. I understand you have been saying that you think it was spontaneous? Are we not on the same page here?

    SUSAN RICE (Ambassador to the United Nations): Bob, let me tell you what we understand to be the assessment at present. First of all, very importantly, as you discussed with the President, there is an investigation that the United States government will launch led by the FBI, that has begun and–

    BOB SCHIEFFER (overlapping): But they are not there.

    SUSAN RICE: They are not on the ground yet, but they have already begun looking at all sorts of evidence of– of various sorts already available to them and to us. And they will get on the ground and continue the investigation. So we’ll want to see the results of that investigation to draw any definitive conclusions. But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy

    BOB SCHIEFFER: Mm-Hm.

    SUSAN RICE: –sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that– in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.

    BOB SCHIEFFER: But you do not agree with him that this was something that had been plotted out several months ago?

    SUSAN RICE: We do not– we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.

    But as Rice puts it herself the attacks grew out of the protest. The clear implication is they wouldn’t happened if the protests hadn’t happened first to get people all fired up. Since the protests were spontaneous then the attacks were too.

    Furthermore, how is it possible for anybody to plan for a spontaneous protest to occur to cover their attack? Either it was planned or it wasn’t and as the transcripts show, Rice clearly said it wasn’t planned.

    UPDATE: I’ve added video from Rice’s CBS appearance.

    Actually, yes, Susan Rice did say the Benghazi attacks were spontaneous | WashingtonExaminer.com

    U were saying something about Rice didn't Lie? She clearly said not planned and Spontaneous. Which we now know there was never any Protest. Nor Demonstrations and even by Testimony from Hicks and Nordstrom validated that. Nor was any of it Spontaneous.

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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    I have a problem lying even when it is to protect some legitimate secret, they should just say no comment, it is probably routine to "misinform" to protect official secrets. This is wrong, but probably perfectly acceptable. Certainly not worth all the right wing craziness for the last 8 months.
    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Here are the relevant passages from that interview:


    BOB SCHIEFFER: And joining us now, Susan Rice, the U.N. ambassador, our U.N. ambassador. Madam Ambassador, he says this is something that has been in the planning stages for months. I understand you have been saying that you think it was spontaneous? Are we not on the same page here?

    SUSAN RICE (Ambassador to the United Nations): Bob, let me tell you what we understand to be the assessment at present. First of all, very importantly, as you discussed with the President, there is an investigation that the United States government will launch led by the FBI, that has begun and–

    BOB SCHIEFFER (overlapping): But they are not there.

    SUSAN RICE: They are not on the ground yet, but they have already begun looking at all sorts of evidence of– of various sorts already available to them and to us. And they will get on the ground and continue the investigation. So we’ll want to see the results of that investigation to draw any definitive conclusions. But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy

    BOB SCHIEFFER: Mm-Hm.

    SUSAN RICE: –sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that– in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.

    BOB SCHIEFFER: But you do not agree with him that this was something that had been plotted out several months ago?

    SUSAN RICE: We do not– we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.

    But as Rice puts it herself the attacks grew out of the protest. The clear implication is they wouldn’t happened if the protests hadn’t happened first to get people all fired up. Since the protests were spontaneous then the attacks were too.

    Furthermore, how is it possible for anybody to plan for a spontaneous protest to occur to cover their attack? Either it was planned or it wasn’t and as the transcripts show, Rice clearly said it wasn’t planned.

    UPDATE: I’ve added video from Rice’s CBS appearance.

    Actually, yes, Susan Rice did say the Benghazi attacks were spontaneous | WashingtonExaminer.com

    U were saying something about Rice didn't Lie? She clearly said not planned and Spontaneous. Which we now know there was never any Protest. Nor Demonstrations and even by Testimony from Hicks and Nordstrom validated that. Nor was any of it Spontaneous.
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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I have a problem lying even when it is to protect some legitimate secret, they should just say no comment, it is probably routine to "misinform" to protect official secrets. This is wrong, but probably perfectly acceptable. Certainly not worth all the right wing craziness for the last 8 months.
    Check this out Mak.....From Borgia CNN. Post 7.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061818251

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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Here are the relevant passages from that interview:


    BOB SCHIEFFER: And joining us now, Susan Rice, the U.N. ambassador, our U.N. ambassador. Madam Ambassador, he says this is something that has been in the planning stages for months. I understand you have been saying that you think it was spontaneous? Are we not on the same page here?

    SUSAN RICE (Ambassador to the United Nations): Bob, let me tell you what we understand to be the assessment at present. First of all, very importantly, as you discussed with the President, there is an investigation that the United States government will launch led by the FBI, that has begun and–

    BOB SCHIEFFER (overlapping): But they are not there.

    SUSAN RICE: They are not on the ground yet, but they have already begun looking at all sorts of evidence of– of various sorts already available to them and to us. And they will get on the ground and continue the investigation. So we’ll want to see the results of that investigation to draw any definitive conclusions. But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy

    BOB SCHIEFFER: Mm-Hm.

    SUSAN RICE: –sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that– in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.

    BOB SCHIEFFER: But you do not agree with him that this was something that had been plotted out several months ago?

    SUSAN RICE: We do not– we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.

    But as Rice puts it herself the attacks grew out of the protest. The clear implication is they wouldn’t happened if the protests hadn’t happened first to get people all fired up. Since the protests were spontaneous then the attacks were too.

    Furthermore, how is it possible for anybody to plan for a spontaneous protest to occur to cover their attack? Either it was planned or it wasn’t and as the transcripts show, Rice clearly said it wasn’t planned.

    UPDATE: I’ve added video from Rice’s CBS appearance.

    Actually, yes, Susan Rice did say the Benghazi attacks were spontaneous | WashingtonExaminer.com

    U were saying something about Rice didn't Lie? She clearly said not planned and Spontaneous. Which we now know there was never any Protest. Nor Demonstrations and even by Testimony from Hicks and Nordstrom validated that. Nor was any of it Spontaneous.
    LOL You didn't prove it was a lie, ultimately it turned out to be incorrect, but at the time she said it, it was the best assessment of the CIA.

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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    Democrats now critical of Rice's Benghazi explanation, amid more damaging evidence | Fox News

    Issa reveals testimony contradicting White House on Benghazi [VIDEO] | The Daily Caller

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/24/wo...orts.html?_r=0

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/02/world/...cts/index.html

    Three more officials to testify about Benghazi attacks - CBS News

    Panetta: Not enough time to respond to Benghazi attack | KFOR.com

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...ed-163249.html

    Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks - CBS News

    Bob Schieffer Finally Explodes Benghazi Scandal with Darrell Issa on "Face the Nation" - YouTube

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/us...tack.html?_r=0

    At Benghazi hearing, State Dept. officials challenge administration review of attacks - The Washington Post

    The High Cost to the White House of Stonewalling on Benghazi - NationalJournal.com

    Benghazi witness: State Department told me not to speak to members of Congress | WashingtonExaminer.com

    Benghazi hearing: State officials get emotional - POLITICO.com

    Benghazi "whistleblowers" question U.S. reaction to Libya attack - CBS News

    Doomed Libya ambassador: 'We're under attack' - CNN.com

    Lawmakers want more 'whistle-blowers' to step forward | The Daily Caller

    The Benghazi Talking Points | The Weekly Standard

    Testimony: Stevens Went to Benghazi Mission on 9/11/12 So Clinton Could Announce on Upcoming Libyan Visit It Had Become Permanent U.S. Post | CNS News

    Fourth Benghazi witness gagged by red tape | The Daily Caller

    Benghazi whistleblower: State Dept. should have interviewed more senior officials - Washington Times

    Benghazi timeline: How the attack unfolded - CBS News

    Carney: Changes to Benghazi talking points by W.H. were 'stylistic and non-substantive' - YouTube

    State Department Official Says Benghazi Help Plea Spurned - Bloomberg

    Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference - ABC News

    NBC's Lisa Myers: Benghazi Hearing "Reopens" Case Against Hillary Clinton | RealClearPolitics

    Scarborough Calls Out MSNBC Guest For Echoing 'Democratic Talking ...

    http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politic...azi%203-14.pdf

    BBC News - After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Scrubbing the Truth from Benghazi - NationalJournal.com

    Watchdog says government has tried to silence him on Afghanistan - Stephanie Gaskell - POLITICO.com

    White House holds 'deep background' Benghazi briefing - POLITICO.com

    Full Video: Jay Carney Grilled About Benghazi At Friday Press Briefing | RealClearPolitics

    Spinning Benghazi: The C.I.A.'s Talking-Point Edits : The New Yorker

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061798980

    Opinion: Did political spin hide the truth of Benghazi? - CNN.com

    Benghazi Talking Points Debate Is A 'Sideshow,' Obama Says : The Two-Way : NPR

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    Reporter To Carney: "Sounds Like The Administration Might Be Hiding Something" | RealClearPolitics

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    Behind the Curtain: D.C. turns on Obama - POLITICO.com

    Obama’s claim he called Benghazi an ‘act of terrorism’ - The Washington Post

    Obama's dangerous new narrative - Alexander Burns and John F. Harris - POLITICO.com

    Chris Matthews sours on Obama - POLITICO.com

    Six months later, where are the Benghazi survivors? - CBS News

    Benghazi emails show State Department had heavy hand in watering down account of attack | Fox News

    Benghazi Emails Directly Contradict White House Claims | The Weekly Standard

    The Benghazi Scandal Grows | The Weekly Standard

    Chuck Todd: "Attention White House, Release All The E-Mails" | RealClearPolitics

    Republicans press for more documents on Benghazi, Dems say case closed | Fox News

    White House releases Benghazi emails - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com

    The Benghazi Emails: Talking Points Changed at State Dept.'s Request - ABC News

    Schieffer On Scandals: "It's Very, Very Disturbing What We're Seeing" | RealClearPolitics
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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    LOL You didn't prove it was a lie, ultimately it turned out to be incorrect, but at the time she said it, it was the best assessment of the CIA.
    Try again.....she was incorrect Yeah, she was incorrect. But No, She lied. As there was nothing Spontaneous. Nothing! Plus now it is known that 2 hrs into the attack by the CIA themselves it was planned. Moreover you cant get round the fact the Libyan President even released on TV that it was a Planned attack.

    Nice try tho!

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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    This is wrong, but probably perfectly acceptable
    LOL!

    link?

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