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Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

Here are the relevant passages from that interview:


BOB SCHIEFFER: And joining us now, Susan Rice, the U.N. ambassador, our U.N. ambassador. Madam Ambassador, he says this is something that has been in the planning stages for months. I understand you have been saying that you think it was spontaneous? Are we not on the same page here?

SUSAN RICE (Ambassador to the United Nations): Bob, let me tell you what we understand to be the assessment at present. First of all, very importantly, as you discussed with the President, there is an investigation that the United States government will launch led by the FBI, that has begun and–

BOB SCHIEFFER (overlapping): But they are not there.

SUSAN RICE: They are not on the ground yet, but they have already begun looking at all sorts of evidence of– of various sorts already available to them and to us. And they will get on the ground and continue the investigation. So we’ll want to see the results of that investigation to draw any definitive conclusions. But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy

BOB SCHIEFFER: Mm-Hm.

SUSAN RICE: –sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that– in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.

BOB SCHIEFFER: But you do not agree with him that this was something that had been plotted out several months ago?

SUSAN RICE: We do not– we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.

But as Rice puts it herself the attacks grew out of the protest. The clear implication is they wouldn’t happened if the protests hadn’t happened first to get people all fired up. Since the protests were spontaneous then the attacks were too.

Furthermore, how is it possible for anybody to plan for a spontaneous protest to occur to cover their attack? Either it was planned or it wasn’t and as the transcripts show, Rice clearly said it wasn’t planned.

UPDATE: I’ve added video from Rice’s CBS appearance.

Actually, yes, Susan Rice did say the Benghazi attacks were spontaneous | WashingtonExaminer.com

U were saying something about Rice didn't Lie? She clearly said not planned and Spontaneous. Which we now know there was never any Protest. Nor Demonstrations and even by Testimony from Hicks and Nordstrom validated that. Nor was any of it Spontaneous.

LOL You didn't prove it was a lie, ultimately it turned out to be incorrect, but at the time she said it, it was the best assessment of the CIA.
 
Democrats now critical of Rice's Benghazi explanation, amid more damaging evidence | Fox News

Issa reveals testimony contradicting White House on Benghazi [VIDEO] | The Daily Caller

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/24/w...libya-was-major-blow-to-cia-efforts.html?_r=0

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/02/world/africa/us-libya-benghazi-suspects/index.html

Three more officials to testify about Benghazi attacks - CBS News

Panetta: Not enough time to respond to Benghazi attack | KFOR.com

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...-benghazi-talking-points-scrubbed-163249.html

Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks - CBS News

Bob Schieffer Finally Explodes Benghazi Scandal with Darrell Issa on "Face the Nation" - YouTube

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/u...count-from-libya-of-benghazi-attack.html?_r=0

At Benghazi hearing, State Dept. officials challenge administration review of attacks - The Washington Post

The High Cost to the White House of Stonewalling on Benghazi - NationalJournal.com

Benghazi witness: State Department told me not to speak to members of Congress | WashingtonExaminer.com

Benghazi hearing: State officials get emotional - POLITICO.com

Benghazi "whistleblowers" question U.S. reaction to Libya attack - CBS News

Doomed Libya ambassador: 'We're under attack' - CNN.com

Lawmakers want more 'whistle-blowers' to step forward | The Daily Caller

The Benghazi Talking Points | The Weekly Standard

Testimony: Stevens Went to Benghazi Mission on 9/11/12 So Clinton Could Announce on Upcoming Libyan Visit It Had Become Permanent U.S. Post | CNS News

Fourth Benghazi witness gagged by red tape | The Daily Caller

Benghazi whistleblower: State Dept. should have interviewed more senior officials - Washington Times

Benghazi timeline: How the attack unfolded - CBS News

Carney: Changes to Benghazi talking points by W.H. were 'stylistic and non-substantive' - YouTube

State Department Official Says Benghazi Help Plea Spurned - Bloomberg

Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference - ABC News

NBC's Lisa Myers: Benghazi Hearing "Reopens" Case Against Hillary Clinton | RealClearPolitics

Scarborough Calls Out MSNBC Guest For Echoing 'Democratic Talking ...

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politi...kering - Hearing Invite ARB Benghazi 3-14.pdf

BBC News - After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

Scrubbing the Truth from Benghazi - NationalJournal.com

Watchdog says government has tried to silence him on Afghanistan - Stephanie Gaskell - POLITICO.com

White House holds 'deep background' Benghazi briefing - POLITICO.com

Full Video: Jay Carney Grilled About Benghazi At Friday Press Briefing | RealClearPolitics

Spinning Benghazi: The C.I.A.'s Talking-Point Edits : The New Yorker

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...en-state-department-cia-3.html#post1061798980

Opinion: Did political spin hide the truth of Benghazi? - CNN.com

Benghazi Talking Points Debate Is A 'Sideshow,' Obama Says : The Two-Way : NPR

Why Hillary Clinton didn

Benghazi emails underscore State Department

"NBC Nightly News" Likens Obama Scandals To Nixon Era | RealClearPolitics

Reporter To Carney: "Sounds Like The Administration Might Be Hiding Something" | RealClearPolitics

Reporter To Carney: How Does Obama Feel Being Compared To Nixon? | RealClearPolitics

Behind the Curtain: D.C. turns on Obama - POLITICO.com

Obama’s claim he called Benghazi an ‘act of terrorism’ - The Washington Post

Obama's dangerous new narrative - Alexander Burns and John F. Harris - POLITICO.com

Chris Matthews sours on Obama - POLITICO.com

Six months later, where are the Benghazi survivors? - CBS News

Benghazi emails show State Department had heavy hand in watering down account of attack | Fox News

Benghazi Emails Directly Contradict White House Claims | The Weekly Standard

The Benghazi Scandal Grows | The Weekly Standard

Chuck Todd: "Attention White House, Release All The E-Mails" | RealClearPolitics

Republicans press for more documents on Benghazi, Dems say case closed | Fox News

White House releases Benghazi emails - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com

The Benghazi Emails: Talking Points Changed at State Dept.'s Request - ABC News

Schieffer On Scandals: "It's Very, Very Disturbing What We're Seeing" | RealClearPolitics
 
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LOL You didn't prove it was a lie, ultimately it turned out to be incorrect, but at the time she said it, it was the best assessment of the CIA.

:2razz: Try again.....she was incorrect Yeah, she was incorrect. But No, She lied. As there was nothing Spontaneous. Nothing! Plus now it is known that 2 hrs into the attack by the CIA themselves it was planned. Moreover you cant get round the fact the Libyan President even released on TV that it was a Planned attack.

Nice try tho! :roll:
 
at the time she said it, it was the best assessment of the CIA

then why was no mention made of it until saturday afternoon, some 94 pages in?

that, by the way, would be ben rhodes (whom you don't know who he is)

you don't know what you're talking about but it never stopped you before

shut up and read
 
From what I have read I believed right at first the administration might have thought it was a reaction to that video. But they quickly knew there was a more organized attack. I believe AQ might have planned it that way. I also belive the presence of the CIA might be having the most influence on what was released and why the FBI did not get there for weeks. We wont know exactly what happened until someone leads the classified materials.
then why was no mention made of it until saturday afternoon, some 94 pages in?

that, by the way, would be ben rhodes (whom you don't know who he is)

you don't know what you're talking about but it never stopped you before

shut up and read
 
:2razz: Try again.....she was incorrect Yeah, she was incorrect. But No, She lied. As there was nothing Spontaneous. Nothing! Plus now it is known that 2 hrs into the attack by the CIA themselves it was planned. Moreover you cant get round the fact the Libyan President even released on TV that it was a Planned attack.

Nice try tho! :roll:
Yes, the CIA did know it was planned, but the talking points were signed by the CIA. I learned today there is an FBI policy not to blame any group because it may endanger plants. Susan Rice didn't lie and this controversy is falling apart. Good night.
 
Yes, the CIA did know it was planned, but the talking points were signed by the CIA. I learned today there is an FBI policy not to blame any group because it may endanger plants. Susan Rice didn't lie and this controversy is falling apart. Good night.

You can deny the facts all you want. To bad the MSMedia is Team Obama's Enemy this time. Remember the word that does her in. "Spontaneous". Goodnight. :2wave:
 
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I believed right at first... I believe... I also belive (sic)...

but you're an idiot, why do you think anyone other than your mother would be in the slightest interested in your half formed, unsubstantiated opinion

shut up and link

The Benghazi Emails: Talking Points Changed at State Dept.'s Request - ABC News

White House releases Benghazi emails - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com

Benghazi Emails Directly Contradict White House Claims | The Weekly Standard

Benghazi emails show State Department had heavy hand in watering down account of attack | Fox News

the white house released 100 pages of select emails that, far from absolving foggy bottom as intended, only served to underscore state's paranoia, almost, about the disconcerting contents of those troublesome talking points

petraeus: "frankly i'd just as soon not use them"

cia: "the state dept had major reservations with much or most of the document"

cia: "the white house cleared quickly but state has major concerns"

nuland (you don't know who she is, she's hillary's spokesperson): "serious concerns about arming members of congress"

nuland: "why do we want hill [congress] targeting ansar al sharia"

"and the penultimate [second from last] point could be abused by members to beat the state dept for not paying attention to agency warnings, so why do we want to feed either"

these references to terror, these catalogs of warnings, she worries, "will come back to us at podium"

nuland: "after conversation with [name redacted] serious concerns"

nuland: changes which left intact references to "islamic extremists with ties to al qaeda" ms nuland finds, “didn’t resolve all my issues or those of my building leadership”

asst secty adams: "they will read to members like we had been repeatedly warned"

"john brennan [obama's nsa at the time] will have edits"

"talked to tommy [vietor], we can make edits"

ms nuland openly refers to "offline conversations"

cia: “the state department had major reservations with much or most of the document, we revised the document with their concerns in mind”

if these rocking revelations are contained in the 100 pages this woebegone white house can make public, what must hide in the 2500 pages held back?
 
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Yes, the CIA did know it was planned, but the talking points were signed by the CIA. I learned today there is an FBI policy not to blame any group because it may endanger plants. Susan Rice didn't lie and this controversy is falling apart. Good night.

"Oh".....and one other thing. The FBI wasn't investigating anything in Libya before we were attacked. I forgot to remind you of that fact.
 
Susan Rice didn't lie

sunday, the 5th:

“Well, it was scrubbed,” Massachusetts Democratic Rep. Steve Lynch told “Fox News Sunday.” “It was totally inaccurate. There's no excuse for that. It was false information. And what they try to do is harmonize what happened in Benghazi with what happened everywhere else across the Middle East.”

Lynch also acknowledged the talking points were likely revised to reflect President Obama’s decry – with his re-election bid in the balance -- that “Al Qaeda is on the run.”

Maryland Democratic Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, also acknowledged Sunday the facts as told by Rice were wrong.

“At the time, as it turns out” the information was incorrect, he said on CBS’ “Face the Nation”

Democrats now critical of Rice's Benghazi explanation, amid more damaging evidence | Fox News

ruppersberger from dark blue maryland is ranking member (top democrat) in the republican controlled house intel committee, as such ruppersberger is the pelosi caucus' lead voice on all matters intel

ruppersberger is the person who contacted cia to ask, what do i tell my constituents, which query got the entire tortuous talking points tergiversation started

lynch is south boston, blue collar, he lost to markey in the primary two weeks ago

lynch's folks, therefore, are those who lived thru the marathon bombing by the brothers tsarnaev, fyi

i could find you a dozen conclusions from msm's identical to his and rup's if you want

Brokaw: ‘You Cannot Explain Away Susan Rice’s Performance on Those Sunday Talk Shows’ | Washington Free Beacon

many are posted above
 
Former Ambassador Thomas Pickering, co-chair of the Benghazi Accountability Review Board, on Sunday defended the investigation into the Benghazi attacks, saying the board did not formally question former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or other high ranking officials because it didn't believe it was necessary.

We briefed them them on the report, we told them where we were,” Pickering said on CBS'S "Face the Nation." “We had plenty of opportunity had we felt it was necessary to ask them questions. We didn’t believe that was necessary, and I don’t see any reason to do so now.”

Pressed further by host Bob Schieffer, Pickering said they did not question Clinton because they knew where the "responsibility rested" and that she had already accepted full responsibility as part her job.

Pickering also defended not questioning Clinton because the board interviewed people who attended meetings with her.


Pickering said the board's interviews were not recorded because “we didn’t feel that it was necessary for us to get essential elements of information down" through recordings, and that notes of essential points were taken instead.

Pickering said he was not invited to last week's House committee hearing on the Sept. 11 attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, though he's "fully prepared" to come at any time to discuss the accountability board's investigation.

Pickering defends not questioning Clinton - POLITICO.com

the ambassador was indeed invited, he's lying

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politi...kering - Hearing Invite ARB Benghazi 3-14.pdf
 
If any of you mother****ers don't start giving me some props for my ingenious new phrase. I had better see an LOL and soon or I'm going to be very, VERY dissappointed in this forum. It's just embarrassing to have to actually fish for compliments at this level.

Sorry, I didn't get it at first.
 
Yes, the CIA did know it was planned, but the talking points were signed by the CIA. I learned today there is an FBI policy not to blame any group because it may endanger plants. Susan Rice didn't lie and this controversy is falling apart. Good night.

So the CIA signed the talking points? They work for Obama, so there's no excuse. They all work for Obama, except Congress. So signing points, which they were told to revise, means nothing.
 
Ok... so let me get this straight.. Issa deposes Pickering and Mullen, there is a disagreement about whether the hearing should be open or closed and THAT means Issa's "narrative is falling apart"?

This kind of limp defense of the president really is very sad.

Also, don't look now but the Obama narrative has fallen apart, been chopped to bits, and shoveled into a composting bin.
 
You can deny the facts all you want. To bad the MSMedia is Team Obama's Enemy this time. Remember the word that does her in. "Spontaneous". Goodnight. :2wave:


Check Version 1 of the talking points in the article by Stephen Hayes


The Benghazi Talking Points | The Weekly Standard

We believe based on currently available information that the attacks in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. Consulate and subsequently itKs annex.

:2wave:
 
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You know I would like a short version here...but honestly...is anyone in this guilty of negligence? Cover ups? Failure to act when it was apparent people would die? Could more security have been provided? Did we have cause for added security? There are a lot of questions. Given what is going on with the IRS and DoJ...I wouldnt be surprised if some idiot politicians screwed the pooch on this Benghazi thing too.
 
I would note that Issa is refusing to comment on the altered evidence.
 
I would note that Issa is refusing to comment on the altered evidence.

Because he's not going to fall for the attempted distraction from the point.

Dems are using the "Well, Jimmy's parents said it was OK" first-grade deflection tactics.
 
At last, something illegal and a coverup. Why else would Issa not be talking? Who's going to jail? that is what I want to know. Issa, Boehner? You know the leadership of the Repubs knew, they had to'

If this is true watch the RWs completely ignore it.
It appears the entire "scandal" is the result of GOP operative editing White House emails, possibly a crime. The real question now, which the Senate needs to investigate, was were Issa and Boehner involved?

Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Report Claims

I would note that Issa is refusing to comment on the altered evidence.
 
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