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    only the staunch RWers are listening
    after meeting in private with 14 select media organizations on "deep background," jay carney was confronted last friday with THIRTY SIX questions about this exploding scandal from the partisans in the press corps

    ap: on benghazi, with all due credit to my colleague on my right (jonathan karl), we now have emails showing that the state dept pushed back against talking points language from the cia and expressed concern about how some of the information could be used politically in congress---you have said the white house only made a stylistic change here but these were not stylistic changes, these were content changes---so, again, what role did the white house play not just in making but in directing changes?

    carney: the only edit made by the white house or the state dept to those talking points generated by the cia was a change from referring to the facility that was attacked in benghazi from consulate because it was not a consulate to diplomatic post, a matter of non substantive factual correction

    ap followup: but this information was information that the cia obviously knew was about prior attacks and warnings---does the president think that it was appropriate to keep that information away simply because of how congress might use it

    jeff zeleny: the substance of these emails tho suggests you're having very specific exchanges between state dept officials and an official here at the white house which jonathan uncovered in which a state dept official raises questions about providing talking points that would include a mention of al qaeda because of the concern that congress would use that against the state dept

    zeleny a few seconds later interrupts carney who is reading to him: the emails specifically demonstrated a concern about giving members of congress something to use against the state dept

    zeleny followup: that's not, that, i mean, the language of that email is pretty clear and the response is pretty clear in terms of saying we want to address victoria nuland's concerns---no matter who ended up providing the talking points in the end it certainly seems clear that there was an influence by the white house and the state dept on the cia talking points

    zeleny again: was concern about how congress would react a factor in what went into those talking points as that email suggests

    april ryan (american urban radio): since you say this is a minor change, a minor change in venue, that the wording is a change in venue, why such a big deal today with this deep background off-the-record briefing, makes it seem like there's been fuel added to the fire---if this is such a minor issue why not just tell the press like you did from the podium just a few minutes ago instead of having this background briefing with a select few and not the whole corps if it's such a minor issue

    dan lothian, cnn: how do you go from a conversation that was apparently happening between various administration officials, various officials of this govt on sept 14, and in those emails, that email exchange, there is a discussion about a group, ansar al sharia, and then after victoria nuland raises questions on the part of the state dept, that reference to that group is then removed from the conversation and doesn't make its way into the talking points---that is not a stylistic edit, that is not single adjustment as you said back in november, that is a major dramatic change in the information

    followup: but if you go back to what susan rice was talking about on those talk shows she may have left open the possibility of extremists but this is an altogether different thing when you talk about a specific group, ansar al sharia

    cnn continues: but just a followup on this once and for all (carney: you promise once and for all; lothian: well, maybe not)---you are comfortable, you are still comfortable with the way you characterized this back in november---this was a single adjustment---and perhaps it was the cia that drafted these talking points but that's sorta glossing over the fact that you had all of these other parties invovled---these were not stylistic edits, jay, this is very much a content driven change

    abc's man of the hour, jonathan karl: you told us that the only changes made to the talking points were stylistic, is it a stylistic change to take out all references to previous terror threats in benghazi

    karl interrupts to ask: jay, this was not the change of one word to another, these were extensive changes after they were written by the cia---there were concerns that were raised by the state dept that the white house directed the interagency process used in making these talking points, the original version included references to al qaeda, references to ansar al sharia, the original cia version included extensive discussion of the previous threats and terrorist attacks in benghazi---these were taken out after the cia wrote its initial draft based on input from the state dept, do you deny that

    carney: no (24:50)

    karl: jay, if you come back to what you said, you said the only changes made by the white house were stylistic and a single word, what we see here is that the state dept raised objections about the references to ansar al sharia, they raised objections to the fact that the cia had warned about terror threats in benghazi prior to the attack---those subjects were taken out of the cia talking points at the direction of the white house based on objections from the state dept

    karl: when you said what you said did you know that this had gone thru 12 versions and that there had been extensive changes made, were you aware of that at the time

    kirsten welker, nbc: let me ask it in a slightly different way, do you acknowledge that your initial characterization of the white house involvement was to some extent a mischaracterization of the extent to which the white house was involved in the evolution of those talking points

    helene cooper, nyt: why not come forward initially and say friday nite white house officials were involved in the interagency process that you've been describing, why not offer that information at the start

    cooper: speaker boehner has asked that you release the emails and according to our sources house officials are also asking that they get more documentation about the saturday sept 15 meeting at the white house, will you release those additional emails and documents

    peter baker, nyt: you said that republicans are being political about it, is it not also political to say we want to keep something out of these talking points because we might be criticized by members of congress, is that not a political motivation there

    baker: but if the phrasing is say, let's not put this out because we're not sure it's true, the phrase is instead let's not put this out because we don't wanna be criticized by our political opponents, is that not political in itself

    baker: on the backgrounder, you had earlier said, well everybody does it basically, republicans and democrats, everybody has backgrounders---you all came to town tho saying you were gonna be different, change the rule, be more transparent---don't you think it encourages the idea that you had something or your colleagues or whoever did the backgrounder, i wasn't there, had something to say they didn't want to say out here

    baker: you haven't done that on the record, why do a backgrounder

    baker: then what purpose is there doing a backgrounder

    american urban radio: would you provide that information from the background in this briefing, do you think that you gave much of that information from the briefing, that background briefing today, in your briefing today, on the record

    alexis simendinger, rcp: just overarching, looking back at... cuz a lot of us were in the briefing room with you the day after the attacks---is the president satisfied with the way the administration handled this, would you do anything differently, or would he want the administration to do anything differently, looking backward

    rcp: following up on that, you talked right away about the video and i'm wondering when you were saying now that you didn't want to be speculative, some of us were wondering why you didn't just wait and say there was an investigation, so why are you saying the video discussion is not speculative

    rcp: doesn't this series of emails now suggest that your discussion of the video was speculative, you are cherry picking

    rcp: but today the president put out health care work that got wiped out because this has continued because that information was not put out

    unidentified reporter: it seems like you're saying a couple different things, you're saying that the first iteration of the talking points that the cia drafted was what they thought happened and the last version was what they knew happened---by the nature of the cia signing off on each iteration of the talking points they were perfectly fine with members of congress or officials discussing anything they included in any of those versions that they signed off on---so why was it necessary, why was it deemed necessary to refer then back to not including certain information in the final draft if they were perfectly fine with that being put out

    followup: but if it was improper for the cia to speculate about those things why would they sign off on the first version for others to review

    followup: but the cia's not gonna spill secrets they're not comfortable with putting out there

    another questioner unknown to me: it's coming up on 8 months to the day since the benghazi attack, the fbi's just got around to releasing 3 images of people they're looking for information for about perpetrators of the attack, is the president confident that the fbi is capable of solving and finding the perpetrators he said months ago was a priority for the president, is the president doing all in his power to do that as well

    afp: you talked about the talking points being about what we knew or what the cia believed it knew---the first few drafts say we do know, we do know that islamic extremists with ties to al qaeda participated in the attack---this is not couched, it says we do know

    carney: i direct you to the intelligence community

    Full Video: Jay Carney Grilled About Benghazi At Friday Press Briefing | RealClearPolitics

    1. do you know for whom these talking points were written, were intended?

    2. darn that fox/rush/gop/bush...

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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    There is simply no evidence of any wrongdoing. I dont think this fiasco really hurts anything, only the staunch RWers are listening anyway, and it keeps the Fauxites in outrage.
    Lying is wrong doing......one cannot blame the Host country for Security.....then refuse to accept their warnings. This is and Was The Second Major lie by Team Obama. The First being that the Country was Hit on the Anniversary of 911 and that Obama was to worried about losing his election and was more interested in going out West Coast to party, having some drinks, and a really good time Laughing and Smiling, BSing, while raising money from his base.

    The 3rd lie was over the Anti Muslim Video.....Team Obama cannot deny that they misdirected the issue by falsifying information over a video and making false statements concerning Benghazi with connection to it.

    Clinton knew the conditions on the ground in Benghazi after the ouster of Gadhafi. Clinton also knew that Other Countries had closed their Embassies and got out of dodge. Moreover.....they knew about the Assassination Attempt on the Brits Ambassador and the Italians. Plus Clinton's People knew the same was going on with Police Chiefs and Judges and those that were sent in by the TNC for that part of Libya.

    Inappropriate Judgment Command is in effect here.....this would fall on Clinton. Regardless of the failed Security lapses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    And there continues to be no there there so Issa and the after-birthers(tm) just make one up.

    *edit... I just came up with that term to describe the ongoing conspiracy fabricators so if you see it on the Daily Show or whatever... you heard it here first. lol
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    Yea great, I think I gave you a like.
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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    Republicans press for more documents on Benghazi, Dems say case closed | Fox News

    House Republicans continue to demand more documents out of the Obama administration on the Benghazi terror attack, praising the release of 100 pages of internal deliberations as an encouraging step but claiming the government should do more to clear up questions.

    "While these hundred are good and they shed light on what happened, we have nearly 25,000 that they haven't released," Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, told Fox News.

    He noted the documents released late Wednesday -- a release long sought by Republicans -- for the most part covered two days of communications. "What about the ones before and what about all the ones after? Let's go ahead and release those as well," Chaffetz said.

    The administration gave no indication that more documents would be forthcoming. White House spokesman Eric Schultz said the decision to make the records public was an "extraordinary step." He said "hopefully" Washington can now move beyond the controversy.

    Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez also said on the Senate floor Thursday that the issue has been "fully vetted."

    The documents showed the White House, along with several other departments, played a role in editing the so-called "talking points," despite claims from the White House that it was barely involved. And they showed then-CIA Director David Petraeus objected to the watered-down version that would ultimately be used as the basis for U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice's flawed comments on several TV shows the Sunday after the attack.

    "Frankly, I'd just as soon not use this," Petraeus told his deputy in a Sept. 15 email.

    The 100-page file showed that State Department officials were even more heavily involved in editing the "talking points" than was previously known.

    One email sent the Friday night after the attack from an unknown official said: "The State Department had major reservations with much or most of the document."
    what are y'all hiding, y'all?

    Six months later, where are the Benghazi survivors? - CBS News

    Chuck Todd: "Attention White House, Release All The E-Mails" | RealClearPolitics

    Schieffer On Scandals: "It's Very, Very Disturbing What We're Seeing" | RealClearPolitics

    menendez, by the way, is under fbi investigation

    Grand jury investigating Sen. Robert Menendez - The Washington Post

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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    There is simply no evidence of any wrongdoing. I dont think this fiasco really hurts anything, only the staunch RWers are listening anyway, and it keeps the Fauxites in outrage.
    OF course, there isn't. True, four American lives were lost through negligence and a massive spin/coverup ensued but, hey, the Obamessiah can do no wrong, right?
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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    Did you read the CBS story? It is about the Repubs demanding to talk to the survivors, not that the OA was hiding them. I would imagine their identity are being protected for a reason. I thought the emails were released today. More of the same...using CBS as evidence there is some creditability to the RWs claim of wrong doing, but alas, it is more abouthte whacky right wing demands to talk to the survivors.
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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    At a press conference on November 14, 2012, President Obama stated that his administration has provided all information regarding "what happened in Benghazi." Yet, when CBS News asked for White House photos from the night of the attacks, surveillance video that was promised last November, and answers to outstanding questions, a White House official told us that there would be no further comment.

    CBS News has filed multiple Freedom of Information requests for Benghazi-related material, but none has been provided.
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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    beast: U.S. Officials Knew Libya Attacks Were Work of Al Qaeda Affiliates - The Daily Beast

    cbs: Lt Col Woods says his 16 member team pulled a month before attack - CBS News

    the hill: GOP: US Consulate received repeated threats, had requested more security - The Hill's Global Affairs

    wapo: White House secret meetings examine al-Qaeda threat in North Africa - The Washington Post

    the hill: Report: FBI still not on scene in Benghazi - The Hill's DEFCON Hill

    wsj: Militant Link to Libya Attack - WSJ.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    beast: U.S. Consulate in Benghazi Bombed Twice in Run-Up to 9/11 Anniversary - The Daily Beast

    wapo: Sensitive documents left behind at U.S. diplomatic post in Libya - The Washington Post

    ex: Dems join chorus questioning Obama on attack | WashingtonExaminer

    wapo: Panetta says undetermined terrorist group carried out attack on US Consulate in Libya - The Washington Post

    abc: Some Administration Officials Were Concerned About Initial White House Push Blaming Benghazi Attack on Mob, Video - ABC News

    wsj: Gross Security Failure - WSJ.com

    abc: Security Concerns Keep FBI From Scene of Ambassador's Murder, Official Says - ABC News

    wapo: From video to terrorist attack: a definitive timeline of administration statements on the Libya attack - The Washington Post

    youtube: Tammy Duckworth: Marines Should Have Been in Benghazi - YouTube

    beast: Obama's Shaky Libya Narrative - The Daily Beast

    cns: Lieberman Calls for Independent Investigation into Libyan Attack | CNS News

    cnn: Exclusive: Amb. Chris Stevens worried about al Qaeda hit list – Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

    huffpo: CNN's Use Of Christopher Stevens' Journal Is 'Disgusting': State Dept.

    cbs: Why Did The White House Take So Long To Admit Libya Attack Was Terrorism? CBS

    weekly standard: Permanent Spin | The Weekly Standard

    wsj: Miscues Before Libya Assault - WSJ

    independent: US 'was warned of Libya embassy attack but did nothing' - Independent.ie

    fox: Diplomatic, western posts targeted repeatedly in Benghazi in run-up to deadly assault | Fox News

    buzzfeed: US Embassy In Cairo Deletes Controversial Tweets

    sentinel: Administration Insists Benghazi Attack Not Premeditated | Atlantic Sentinel

    independent: Revealed: inside story of US envoy's assassination - World Politics - World - The Independent

    atlantic wire: Report: Ambassador Stevens Said He Was on an Al-Qaeda Hit List

    cns: Where Was Obama on Night of Benghazi Attack?

    cbs, 60 minutes: Obama Says Attacks In Libya And Egypt Are Just "Bumps In The Road" - YouTube

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    Re: Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    beast: U.S. Officials Knew Libya Attacks Were Work of Al Qaeda Affiliates - The Daily Beast

    cbs: Lt Col Woods says his 16 member team pulled a month before attack - CBS News

    the hill: GOP: US Consulate received repeated threats, had requested more security - The Hill's Global Affairs

    wapo: White House secret meetings examine al-Qaeda threat in North Africa - The Washington Post

    the hill: Report: FBI still not on scene in Benghazi - The Hill's DEFCON Hill

    wsj: Militant Link to Libya Attack - WSJ.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    beast: U.S. Consulate in Benghazi Bombed Twice in Run-Up to 9/11 Anniversary - The Daily Beast

    wapo: Sensitive documents left behind at U.S. diplomatic post in Libya - The Washington Post

    ex: Dems join chorus questioning Obama on attack | WashingtonExaminer

    wapo: Panetta says undetermined terrorist group carried out attack on US Consulate in Libya - The Washington Post

    abc: Some Administration Officials Were Concerned About Initial White House Push Blaming Benghazi Attack on Mob, Video - ABC News

    wsj: Gross Security Failure - WSJ.com

    abc: Security Concerns Keep FBI From Scene of Ambassador's Murder, Official Says - ABC News

    wapo: From video to terrorist attack: a definitive timeline of administration statements on the Libya attack - The Washington Post

    youtube: Tammy Duckworth: Marines Should Have Been in Benghazi - YouTube

    beast: Obama's Shaky Libya Narrative - The Daily Beast

    cns: Lieberman Calls for Independent Investigation into Libyan Attack | CNS News

    cnn: Exclusive: Amb. Chris Stevens worried about al Qaeda hit list – Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

    huffpo: CNN's Use Of Christopher Stevens' Journal Is 'Disgusting': State Dept.

    cbs: Why Did The White House Take So Long To Admit Libya Attack Was Terrorism? CBS

    weekly standard: Permanent Spin | The Weekly Standard

    wsj: Miscues Before Libya Assault - WSJ

    independent: US 'was warned of Libya embassy attack but did nothing' - Independent.ie

    fox: Diplomatic, western posts targeted repeatedly in Benghazi in run-up to deadly assault | Fox News

    buzzfeed: US Embassy In Cairo Deletes Controversial Tweets

    sentinel: Administration Insists Benghazi Attack Not Premeditated | Atlantic Sentinel

    independent: Revealed: inside story of US envoy's assassination - World Politics - World - The Independent

    atlantic wire: Report: Ambassador Stevens Said He Was on an Al-Qaeda Hit List

    cns: Where Was Obama on Night of Benghazi Attack?

    cbs, 60 minutes: Obama Says Attacks In Libya And Egypt Are Just "Bumps In The Road" - YouTube
    but, but, but.........

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    There is simply no evidence of any wrongdoing. I dont think this fiasco really hurts anything, only the staunch RWers are listening anyway, and it keeps the Fauxites in outrage.
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