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Men who are physically strong are more likely to have right wing political views

Μολὼν λαβέ;1061817904 said:
Gay bar?
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At least they would be open and honest about it rather than tap-dancing in an airport bathroom stall then lie about how they actually weren't looking for butt-love.
 
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Paschendale said:
It does certainly seem that there is a trend in the conservative movements to emphasize a certain form of masculinity that tends to revolve around physical strength and physical labor, as opposed to intellectual strength and mental labor. This often manifests in a loud distrust of academia, college and college educated people, and intellectual "elites". I think this also manifests in the macho aggressiveness that informs a lot of the gun movement, and a lot of the misogyny that is rampant within conservative movements. Liberal city types with their fancy book learning are, I suppose, anathema to the country farm worker.

Oh look, we're still arguing Jefferson vs Hamilton, two hundred years later. What a shame the Jeffersonians are still stuck in the 18th century.
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Define mental labor? I don't think studying Useless Studies is very mentally challenging. It was quite pathetic watching my professor with a PhD stumbling all over himself when I rebutted his arguments. Its as if they have never heard someone dispute their accepted ideology before.

I'm a pre-med student. I am by no means against "fancy city book learning" if that is what you are trying to imply. My life at this point is nothing but fancy book learning. I've taken liberal arts courses. I read their fancy books, and find my self disgusted by how utterly ideological their ideas are. They usually then try to back it up with data, and I find myself further disgusted by how easily I tear apart those arguments, finding flaws in either their data, or their conclusions. I'm by no means hard right, or anti intellectual, and I do have some more liberal viewpoints on certain issues. But what I've seen is academia turn into the handmaiden for left wing politics and radical indoctrination.
 
Erod said:
Well......duh. LOL
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There's a lot more to it than physical strength. Building muscle, stamina, and strength takes a lot of discipline, planning, determination and effort. Someone who has these qualities is less likely to associate with a political ideology that condemns this type of individualism.
 
Erod said:
Well......duh. LOL
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hmmm...I wonder how many left wing men are going to start hitting the gym just to disprove that theory :think:
 
poweRob said:
But could never keep up with an Ethiopian.

Like I said, weight training as an assist, but if it is your primary or only training... you are not as healthy as you think.
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If you really think an Ethiopian marathon runner is the epitome of health and fitness then we just aren't going to agree here.

You're pretty much just giving your opinion here. Which is fine, if that is what gets you up in the morning to go for a run, then go for it. But if all you do is run 24/7, well, you aren't going to be good at anything athletically but running. Its pretty much the exact same thing as the "meathead" that you so despise.
 
ReformCollege said:
If you really think an Ethiopian marathon runner is the epitome of health and fitness then we just aren't going to agree here.
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I don't think they are. But cardio freaks can almost always best a muscle-head at anyting physical other than pushing a weight. Their bodies are simply built to do more.


ReformCollege said:
You're pretty much just giving your opinion here. Which is fine, if that is what gets you up in the morning to go for a run, then go for it. But if all you do is run 24/7, well, you aren't going to be good at anything athletically but running. Its pretty much the exact same thing as the "meathead" that you so despise.
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I don't despise meatheads. I just think that very often the more muscles they put on, the more they tend to look down on those without the same meaty goals as themselves. You don't often see cardio freaks being condescending about running a marathon but you could hang out with meat-heads and hear endless talk of "pencil-necks" and how they could beat up someone blah blah blah. Where their world vision is based on who they are and are not bigger than. And that instant respect goes towards those who can push X amount of weight... (which just so happens to be pretty much the whole gist of the originiation of this thread).

So if it sounds like I'm being condescending the other way around... I guess turn-about is fair play. :lol:
 
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I think those who think they are physically stronger because of their political swing need to post pictures of their biceps. The proof is in the picture.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
And people who use their strength to kick the **** out of people are far left wing anarchists.. :roll:



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One guy ? One inked up cage fighter ?
 
Fenton said:
One guy ? One inked up cage fighter ?
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ReformCollege... Case and point about an egotistically misaligned world view. Read this guy's posts in this thread.
 
poweRob said:
I don't think they are. But cardio freaks can almost always best a muscle-head at anyting physical other than pushing a weight. Their bodies are simply built to do more.




I don't despise meatheads. I just think that very often the more muscles they put on, the more they tend to look down on those without the same meaty goals as themselves. You don't often see cardio freaks being condescending about running a marathon but you could hang out with meat-heads and hear endless talk of "pencil-necks" and how they could beat up someone blah blah blah. Where their world vision is based on who they are and are not bigger than. And that instant respect goes towards those who can push X amount of weight... (which just so happens to be pretty much the whole gist of the originiation of this thread).

So if it sounds like I'm being condescending the other way around... I guess turn-about is fair play. :lol:
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What about a sled pulling or tire flipping contest? How about sprinting?

And once again, you're just spitting out your opinion. You're creating a false dichotomy.

Is there a subculture of steroid using meatheads who look down on everyone who isn't a steroid using meathead? Sure. But I think you're letting that image in your head cause you to stereotype every other person who goes to the gym to lift weights into the same category. I've met some pretty strong dudes who are ridiculously athletic at just about everything and anything. The strong part doesn't take away from it, it makes them better at those other activities. There is a reason why many sprinters have squats of over 500 pounds, if not more. Its training them to be more explosive, and they use that training and apply it to the track in order to run faster times.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I was being sarcastic cuz this study is stupid as hell
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if Jeff should be remembered for anything it's his grappling. Guy was amazing on the mat. His career in MMA was much less interesting and notable
 
ReformCollege said:
What about a sled pulling or tire flipping contest? How about sprinting?

And once again, you're just spitting out your opinion. You're creating a false dichotomy.

Is there a subculture of steroid using meatheads who look down on everyone who isn't a steroid using meathead? Sure. But I think you're letting that image in your head cause you to stereotype every other person who goes to the gym to lift weights into the same category. I've met some pretty strong dudes who are ridiculously athletic at just about everything and anything. The strong part doesn't take away from it, it makes them better at those other activities. There is a reason why many sprinters have squats of over 500 pounds, if not more. Its training them to be more explosive, and they use that training and apply it to the track in order to run faster times.
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I think you are blurring my position. My position is cardio & cardio plus weights vs weights only. Yeah I'd put my guys up against the weights only guys every day of the week and on Sunday. I've said multiple times even in the posts of mine you've quoted that pretty much weights AND cardio are the shyte. These guys you mentioned are designing their bodies to peform tasks. Not designing their bodies to bulk to a point where one leg has to walk around the other leg to move the whole body forward. Those bodies aren't going to sprint very well at all.
 
poweRob said:
ReformCollege... Case and point about an egotistically misaligned world view. Read this guy's posts in this thread.
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Sigh. Typical liberal dodge. :roll:
 
poweRob said:
I think you are blurring my position. My position is cardio & cardio plus weights vs weights only. Yeah I'd put my guys up against the weights only guys every day of the week and on Sunday. I've said multiple times even in the posts of mine you've quoted that pretty much weights AND cardio are the shyte. These guys you mentioned are designing their bodies to peform tasks. Not designing their bodies to bulk to a point where one leg has to walk around the other leg to move the whole body forward.
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I don't recall this ever being a "this vs. that" on the subject. Cardio and weightlifting are just tools in the shed to help you do whatever you want to do. One goal isn't more important or "better" then the other in any way. You're crying back and forth about how condescending these imaginary meat-heads are, yet all I'm hearing is you being the condescending asshole about people who want to lift weights. One can lift weights and be strong (really strong) without being this prototypical useless meat-head that you are so butthurt over.

I'll say this, I generally look down on anyone who wants to use performance enhancing drugs out of pure vanity. But this is the definition of a strawman, you're arguing against something that no one is in favor of.
 
poweRob said:
? what did I dodge?
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You attribute it to some "misaligned world view" that I must have rather then try to take my arguments head on. Its a fallacy and a dodge.
 
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poweRob said:
I don't think they are. But cardio freaks can almost always best a muscle-head at anyting physical other than pushing a weight. Their bodies are simply built to do more.




I don't despise meatheads. I just think that very often the more muscles they put on, the more they tend to look down on those without the same meaty goals as themselves. You don't often see cardio freaks being condescending about running a marathon but you could hang out with meat-heads and hear endless talk of "pencil-necks" and how they could beat up someone blah blah blah. Where their world vision is based on who they are and are not bigger than. And that instant respect goes towards those who can push X amount of weight... (which just so happens to be pretty much the whole gist of the originiation of this thread).

So if it sounds like I'm being condescending the other way around... I guess turn-about is fair play. :lol:
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I was genetically predisposed to be a big guy, as most men on my fathers side exceed 6'4" and 250 lbs. I had a uncle who WAS 6'8'' ( Father's younger Brother who passed away 3 years ago ) and over 400 pounds easy. When I came out of High School after playing football for 6 years straight I was 6'7", 280 and could bench press 390 pounds. And no, I never took steroids.

He use to irritate the crap out of me when I was a kid ( 9-10 years old ) , wrestling, fighting and such, and I would try with everything I had to just move him 3 inches off of the spot he was occupying or to hit him hard enough to get a reaction out of him other than him laughing at my attempts.. No dice, as it was analogous to attacking a fire engine.

He was a Offensive linemen in College and until his death was built like a brick wall. He was also one of the nicest guys Iv'e ever known and knowing that I would eventually reach a height and weight and strength comparable to his, he taught me never to use my size as asset, because first my size was going to be a given, and second it was a cheap way to go through life intimidating those that I either disliked or were in competition in.

There was never any need to throw my weight around and since I can remember I have gone out of my way to make sure people judge me by my character and intelligence not my size. It was never my fault I was built like this as it runs in my family, ( my oldest is in the navy 6'7'', a slim 240 ).

We are also predisposed to knee and hip problems because of our height, and heart problems, That's what killed my uncle.


I don't see any direct correlation to a political ideology and someone's size.
 
poweRob said:
ReformCollege... Case and point about an egotistically misaligned world view. Read this guy's posts in this thread.
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Jeff Monson...finally.

I couldn't think of that guys name and Iv'e seen him fight before.

I hate tattoo's, and have never been inspired for an instant to get inked up. I would rather have a one on one discussion with Monson before I decide whether or not he's a communist.

Cage fighters get repeated concussions.
 
ReformCollege said:
I don't recall this ever being a "this vs. that" on the subject.
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The whole notion of this thread is hinging on "the bigger the better."

ReformCollege said:
Cardio and weightlifting are just tools in the shed to help you do whatever you want to do.
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Agreed. And as apparently I have to restate to you yet again... cardio with a weight training assist... will give bodies the best results. Yet for some reason you keep trying to paint me into a corner you are straw-manning from whole cloth.

ReformCollege said:
One goal isn't more important or "better" then the other in any way. You're crying back and forth about how condescending these imaginary meat-heads are, yet all I'm hearing is you being the condescending asshole about people who want to lift weights. One can lift weights and be strong (really strong) without being this prototypical useless meat-head that you are so butthurt over.
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Of course they can. I never said anything about all of them or none of them can and can't do _____________. that is you straw manning me again. And being that you keep doing that, I'd have to say it must be your butt-hurtedness that is shining out like the purple and red on a mating season's baboon ass. Not mine. I just started out joshing with a little give and take in a thread designed to **** on the meek coming from the mouths aligned with the party of Jesus.

ReformCollege said:
I'll say this, I generally look down on anyone who wants to use performance enhancing drugs out of pure vanity. But this is the definition of a strawman, you're arguing against something that no one is in favor of.
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Dude... you and I are most likely on the same page on this but you saw and know my lean and therefore cherry-picked a stance against me. I think my posts are a rather obvious three glasses of chianti silliness in this knuckle-dragging thread but you are acting as if I were scribing it in stone. Bottom line, I don't need to fill my ego by designing a condescending thread about those without the same meat goals... but it's only me in here you find condescending? Come on.
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
People are missing the point here, it's not about hitting the gym and bulking up it's more about body type. IMO it is testosterone related and I have noticed in life that most lib men seem to be the pencil necks like Colmes and Thom Hartman for example while cons tend to be bigger beefier guys and as I said I think it is testosterone related. More testosterone makes you beefier and more aggressive and just maybe more conservative.
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Mesomorphs used to rule, until 12000 years ago or so.

I suspect they haven't adapted to the equalization of technology.

And since no one obeys them simply because they are bigger anymore, they resent those rresponsible for leveling the playing field. And yearn for the good old days.

Half tongue in cheek, but that's what I suspect.
 
Fenton said:
Jeff Monson...finally.

I couldn't think of that guys name and Iv'e seen him fight before.

I hate tattoo's, and have never been inspired for an instant to get inked up. I would rather have a one on one discussion with Monson before I decide whether or not he's a communist.

Cage fighters get repeated concussions.
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Okay?
 
poweRob said:
The whole notion of this thread is hinging on "the bigger the better."



Agreed. And as apparently I have to restate to you yet again... cardio with a weight training assist... will give bodies the best results. Yet for some reason you keep trying to paint me into a corner you are straw-manning from whole cloth.



Of course they can. I never said anything about all of them or none of them can and can't do _____________. that is you straw manning me again. And being that you keep doing that, I'd have to say it must be your butt-hurtedness that is shining out like the purple and red on a mating season's baboon ass. Not mine. I just started out joshing with a little give and take in a thread designed to **** on the meek coming from the mouths aligned with the party of Jesus.



Dude... you and I are most likely on the same page on this but you saw and know my lean and therefore cherry-picked a stance against me. I think my posts are a rather obvious three glasses of chianti silliness in this knuckle-dragging thread but you are acting as if I were scribing it in stone. Bottom line, I don't need to fill my ego by designing a condescending thread about those without the same meat goals... but it's only me in here you find condescending? Come on.
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Fair enough, you cleared up your stance on the issue alittle bit.

I will say this, this article is about upper body strength. Yet you seem to be mixing this up with size, when you say "this article is about the bigger the better." Strength is a feat of performance, same as a marathon is. Size or "bigness" is a object of vanity.
 
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