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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    I wrote it in a way that would not upset some people ... PC terms
    I think that's very thoughtful of you.

    The reason I tried to clarify is because the statement has been made elsewhere at DP that "Abortion is not intended to kill the embryo or fetus. The intent is its removal."

    What this father committed was feticide.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Many Fetal abnormalities cannot be tested for until about 18 to 20 weeks gestation.
    Less than 1.3 of all legal abortions that take place in the USA take place after 21 weeks gestation.
    I read that about 99 percent of those abortions are because of fetal admormalies.

    Less than .08 of all legal abortions that take place in the USA at or after 24 weeks gestation are because of extreme cases.
    These are the cases where the woman's life or irreparable damage would take place if the pregnancy continued, where the fetus would be stillborn or where it is so malformed that it would only live a few minutes or hours.

    Dr. Tiller was one of five doctors who performed legal late term abortions in the United States in 2008.
    Kansas was one of a small handful of states that allowed abortions after viability for these extreme cases.
    They kept records of all abortions at or after the 21 week gestation mark ( keep in mind that the limit of viability is 24 weeks gestation and that has not changed in the last 12 years).

    OB/GYNs from all over the country whose patients had the extreme cases I mentioned would send their patients to Dr. Tiller for their extreme problem pregnancies.

    There were 321 abortions at or after 21 weeks gestation that were recorded in Kansa in 2008.
    192 were because the fetus was NOT viable. It would be stillborn or would only live a few minutes or hours.
    The other 132 abortions at or after 21 weeks gestation were because irreparable damage to a major bodily function would happen if the pregnancy were allowed to continue.

    They were the extreme cases.
    Okay, so you avoided the question... I will take into account what you have answered and ask it again.

    After you account for the abnormalities, and lets go with your 5 different doctors and lets say they all have their own clinics "performing abortions" on those that are not viable/will only live a couple of hours. That would be 5 times 321 which would equal 1605 abortions...that leaves us with average of approximately one million two hundred and forty eight thousand three hundred and ninety-five abortions that are not for those reasons...each and every year in the United States... so why do you delight in laws created that allow this continuing outrageous number of abortions [ disposings, butcheries, killings, murders, mass slaughters... choose your poison ] of those who have not been determined to be other than healthy and who do not the ability to defend themselves?

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    I was eleven years old when the Thalidmine babies made headlines in the USA.
    A US news reporter had taken the drug Thalidomine early in her pregnancy.
    News reports surfaced in Europe that a number of babies were being born without arms or legs, sometimes all the limbs were affected and that the cause was the Thalidomine drug they had taken during pregnancy.
    The news reporter wanted an abortion and pleaded for a legal abortion in the USA.
    She was denied and eventually went to Sweden where she had her abortion.
    I thought it horrible that The United States was so backwards with their laws they would even allow abortions in these therapeutic type cases.

    I cried for the women and their babies that were affected by the Thalidomine drug.
    I cried for the woman in the USA who could not have a legal abortion in their country .

    I was a young married woman and the mother to a planned baby
    when the Surpreme Court ruled 7 to 2 in favor of legal early abortions in the United States.
    I was so happy about the Roe vs Wade decision.

    Finally women in the USA were allowed to be first class citizens and were granted the right to bodily soverenity.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    I am sure that nuanced distinction about murder and its illegality meant a lot to the Jews being mass "legally killed" under the Nazi regime. The Nazi's legally killed 6 million Jews and they are regarded as near devils. How should we regard those who, just in the USA, have "legally" killed over 50 million? Nearly 10 times as many as the obscene Nazis... nice crowd to be hanging with...
    Godwining the thread?

    Gee, how original!!
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Give me the quote where the Supreme Court expressly, or even obliquely, states that the government's power to protect rights does not apply to the unborn at any stage.

    The rest of my post would require you to do something you simply cannot do, which is prove me wrong... on anything.

    or....

    it would require you to do something you seemingly cannot do, which is admit you are completely and utterly wrong. Looking back I do not think there is a SINGLE point where you have won the argument. Not even one single point.
    Give me the quote where the constitution expressly, or even obliquely, states that the governments power to protect rights does apply to the unborn an every stage.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Unless she aborts, which is the willful taking of a human life.
    A ZEF is not a person.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    So really, Minnie, why is it you take such delight in laws such as that..?

    What exactly have these children, millions, tens of millions now, of children in utero, done to you that makes them so bad...these tiny struggling innocent beings leading their best way towards a life such as the rest of us, those us of with the good fortune, the luck of the draw, who have the blessing, the fluke not to have been created by people who just do not seem to much care about what it is that they have, 99% of the time willingly, done, a life that the rest of us enjoy...? What is it about these little helpless ones that gives you so much passion to make sure that if they are twenty-three weeks and six days they can be "destroyed" [ and we both know the semantics of that term ] whereas if they hit that first minute of the twenty-fourth week, they can be allowed a reprieve? A stay of execution for having done what exactly? For only doing what they just naturally do so that the species can survive? For being as, likely more, innocent than any other living human beings?

    Is our humanity only based, or only in the future to be determined solely on how technologically advanced we can become, up to the point where our science and machines can take over for what should be a naturally nurturing, loving mother? Our humanity is exclusively dependent on just that? Not based on who we are, as a people, in our hearts and minds?

    Or is this just who we really are, heartless and...

    ?
    The abortion banners attempts to shame others might have more credibility if they weren't so busy trying to prove their moral superiority with so many lies
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Godwining the thread?

    Gee, how original!!
    Yeah, probably true, I guess I should have used Stalin or Mao, the associated killing/mass murder totals are far more apt anyhow, huh? But if the Godwin shoe fits...

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Give me the quote where the constitution expressly, or even obliquely, states that the governments power to protect rights does apply to the unborn an every stage.
    This Kabuki dance you keep dragging us through has gone from the really ridiculous to super absurd...

    Everyone reading these discussions [no longer a debate, you apparently got “nuthin” to argue ] must be as weary as I of these constant banal, redundant and repetitive inanities you keep foisting upon us. And then foisting on us yet again, adding nothing new but a few caustic yet clumsy jibes.

    You see, we can all observe as you make foolishly bizarre statements that you simply cannot back up…then, for some reason, re-advertise this inadequacy, reiterating this lack of knowledge…why? I am savvy enough to know not to make such similarly silly statements.

    How many times now, 5, maybe six, that I have informed and re-informed you that the Constitution is silent on both “born persons” and “unborn persons”?

    Let me ask, just so I can get an idea, just how many times will it take telling you THAT FACT until you actually think about it, reflect and actually realize that… I mean, until you get it?

    Then the part of the dance where I tell you that I did not say anything about unborn persons in the Constitution where you say it does, but can never point this out [ or anything else out when you speak of the Constitution ]... then I re-inform you that the Constitution, through the 9th and 10th Amendments allows we the people to what needs be done, whether it be born or unborn, should we decide to do so. Then you will try to bring up, again, that SCOTUS is the Constitution, that the Constitution allows for the Supreme Court judicial review, which it doesn't but at the same time we do know of the tradition established with the case of Marbury v Madison...blah blah blah...

    Or… maybe the better question…Will this fairly simple concept, Constitution being silent on the issue, ever sink in? Seems pretty simple to the rest of us…do you really not understand the concept? I mean, seems reasonable to assume that this has gone far beyond the point where one can utilize simple naive ignorance of the Constitution… to where one is actually just being obstinate… but why? Cannot accept reality?

    Do you have anything new to add? Have anything that will prove any, ANY, of your assertions? If not, do us all a favor...

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The abortion banners attempts to shame others might have more credibility if they weren't so busy trying to prove their moral superiority with so many lies
    I was just asking a question, but thank you for identifying those against the murder of the innocent and those who are for life as being the morally superior... another Freudian slip, eh?

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