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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    This women went into labor so I think that means the fetus was born maybe dead but it was born so that means it did have rights . This man poisoned this women with intent to harm a part of her body and should be locked up .

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1.)No, an opinion can be derived from fact and a) still be wrong or even b) speak to an issue with no obvious answer (hence, why we are likely debating it). In fact, as often is the case in debate, two widely deferring opinions can be derived from the same set of correct facts

    2.No, we just covered that not all opinions are equal

    3.No, there is a clear qualitative issue there.
    1.)1.) this changes NOTHING that i said lol, nothing
    did i say an opinion couldn't be derived from a fact? NOPE

    please stay on topic, even when you are deflecting and tryign to derail you fail because you try to argue things that were never said LOL

    2.) if they are true opinions they are equal, you done nothign to prove otherwise, NOTHING but offer more of your opinion.

    3.) wrong again because that would be based of more subjective opinions

    anyway your dodged is noted but i choose to stick on topic.
    Calling an abortion "a willful taking of a human life" is nothing more than opinion and its no better than the opinions of people who disagree.

    If you disagree with this assessment you are free to try and support otherwise, id LOVE to read it.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Abortion is objectively the deliberate taking of a human life, a killing. You may subjectively think that killing is justified, or not, but to deny the reality entirely requires someone to either be insane or lying.

    You can't "disagree." Such a statement would no more be an "opinion" than 2+2=5 is an "opinion." No, that's just being ignorant and / or bad at math.

    And this is where we come back to Python. An argument is about more than simple contradiction; the problem you run into when all you have is contradiction is that you run afoul of reality when someone tells you 2+2=4 and all you have is "No it isn't." Of course, when one is doing it deliberately, the tactic makes a sick sort of sense.
    as usual facts prove you wrong
    you can post this lie as much as you want but it will never be anything more than a lie

    it has been proven to be a lie by many links, facts and posters, if you disagree by all means PLEASE we beg you prove the bolded statement above to be true. You wont however because its im possible. WHat will happen is you will make posts after post repeating your OPINION and becoming more and more uncivil using failed insults etc but yet still provide ZERO facts supporting your lie and the true will remain the same.

    your statement is factually false and whats funny is its the exact equivalent of 2 +2 = 5

    Let me know when you have any facts supporting your lie, id love to read them
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    2.) if they are true opinions they are equal, you done nothign to prove otherwise, NOTHING but offer more of your opinion. \
    no, two opinions derived from the same facts can still have qualitative differences. An obvious example is someone following a faulty line of logic from those facts.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    no, two opinions derived from the same facts can still have qualitative differences. An obvious example is someone following a faulty line of logic from those facts.
    good move backing off your first made up argument LOL

    anyway if its truly faulty (factually not true) then its not a true opinion.

    If its subjectively faulty based off of opinions then no in reality they are still equal, this isnt going to change no matter how much spin and opinion you try to present.

    Calling an abortion "a willful taking of a human life" is nothing more than opinion and its no better than the opinions of people who disagree.

    If you disagree with this assessment you are free to try and support otherwise, id LOVE to read it.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    good move backing off your first made up argument LOL
    I'm unsure where you got any such idea. I am addressing points as you bring them up to support your original position

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I'm unsure where you got any such idea. I am addressing points as you bring them up to support your original position

    facts

    see post 682, point 1
    you totally backed off this made up argument in the next post

    Calling an abortion "a willful taking of a human life" is nothing more than opinion and its no better than the opinions of people who disagree.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I'm unsure where you got any such idea. I am addressing points as you bring them up to support your original position
    You're wasting your time - it's like talking to a rubber wall.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    This women went into labor so I think that means the fetus was born maybe dead but it was born so that means it did have rights . This man poisoned this women with intent to harm a part of her body and should be locked up .
    No, with the intent of causing the abortion of the human life growing inside her body.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    No, with the intent of causing the abortion of the human life growing inside her body.
    I wrote it in a way that would not upset some people ... PC terms

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