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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Thanks for sharing on the Arizona gestation thing ...
    My pleasure.
    A similar 20 week abortion law in 8 other western states including Idaho were also struck down because they also were too restrictive
    The Arkansa law which was passed recently that would only allow abortions up to 12 weeks gestion has been blocked by the court because it violated the viability rule.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    My pleasure.
    A similar 20 week abortion law in 8 other western states including Idaho were also struck down because they also were too restrictive
    The Arkansa law which was passed recently that would only allow abortions up to 12 weeks gestion has been blocked by the court because it violated the viability rule.
    So really, Minnie, why is it you take such delight in laws such as that..?

    What exactly have these children, millions, tens of millions now, of children in utero, done to you that makes them so bad...these tiny struggling innocent beings leading their best way towards a life such as the rest of us, those us of with the good fortune, the luck of the draw, who have the blessing, the fluke not to have been created by people who just do not seem to much care about what it is that they have, 99% of the time willingly, done, a life that the rest of us enjoy...? What is it about these little helpless ones that gives you so much passion to make sure that if they are twenty-three weeks and six days they can be "destroyed" [ and we both know the semantics of that term ] whereas if they hit that first minute of the twenty-fourth week, they can be allowed a reprieve? A stay of execution for having done what exactly? For only doing what they just naturally do so that the species can survive? For being as, likely more, innocent than any other living human beings?

    Is our humanity only based, or only in the future to be determined solely on how technologically advanced we can become, up to the point where our science and machines can take over for what should be a naturally nurturing, loving mother? Our humanity is exclusively dependent on just that? Not based on who we are, as a people, in our hearts and minds?

    Or is this just who we really are, heartless and...

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Many Fetal abnormalities cannot be tested for until about 18 to 20 weeks gestation.
    Less than 1.3 of all legal abortions that take place in the USA take place after 21 weeks gestation.
    I read that about 99 percent of those abortions are because of fetal admormalies.

    Less than .08 of all legal abortions that take place in the USA at or after 24 weeks gestation are because of extreme cases.
    These are the cases where the woman's life or irreparable damage would take place if the pregnancy continued, where the fetus would be stillborn or where it is so malformed that it would only live a few minutes or hours.

    Dr. Tiller was one of five doctors who performed legal late term abortions in the United States in 2008.
    Kansas was one of a small handful of states that allowed abortions after viability for these extreme cases.
    They kept records of all abortions at or after the 21 week gestation mark ( keep in mind that the limit of viability is 24 weeks gestation and that has not changed in the last 12 years).

    OB/GYNs from all over the country whose patients had the extreme cases I mentioned would send their patients to Dr. Tiller for their extreme problem pregnancies.

    There were 321 abortions at or after 21 weeks gestation that were recorded in Kansa in 2008.
    192 were because the fetus was NOT viable. It would be stillborn or would only live a few minutes or hours.
    The other 132 abortions at or after 21 weeks gestation were because irreparable damage to a major bodily function would happen if the pregnancy were allowed to continue.

    They were the extreme cases.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Unless she aborts, which is the willful taking of a human life.
    your are free to have this opinion but thats all it is.
    Many view it differently and your opinion is no better than theirs.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    your are free to have this opinion but thats all it is.
    Many view it differently and your opinion is no better than theirs.
    Pointing out the obvious here, not all opinions share the same level of validity

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Pointing out the obvious here, not all opinions share the same level of validity
    whats obvious is, if its truly an opinion they actually do have the same level of validity. Why? because validity of an opinion would be totally subjective.

    now if theres information that proves one opinion factually wrong then yes that wrong opinion loses validity.

    Calling an abortion "a willful taking of a human life" is nothing more than opinion and its no better than the opinions of people who disagree.

    If you disagree with this assessment you are free to try and support it.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    whats obvious is, if its truly an opinion they actually do have the same level of validity. Why? because validity of an opinion would be totally subjective.
    No, someone can have an educated and informed opinion, as opposed to one derived simply from assumption and belief. This is what makes your constant harping about opinion and fact so inane.

    It states nothing of substance and ignores we largely debate issues that are not facts. But various views, theories and opinions derived from facts






    Calling an abortion "a willful taking of a human life" is nothing more than opinion and its no better than the opinions of people who disagree.

    If you disagree with this assessment you are free to try and support it.[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    1.)No, someone can have an educated and informed opinion, as opposed to one derived simply from assumption and belief. This is what makes your constant harping about opinion and fact so inane.

    2.)It states nothing of substance and ignores we largely debate issues that are not facts. But various views, theories and opinions derived from facts






    Calling an abortion "a willful taking of a human life" is nothing more than opinion and its no better than the opinions of people who disagree.

    If you disagree with this assessment you are free to try and support it.
    1.) wrong because if no facts support that opinion making it true and no facts support a different opinion making it false BOTH those opinions are technically equal in reality unless one subjectively favors one opinion over the other.

    Opinions are opinions PERIOD.

    if facts support or disprove an opinion then there is a measurement of REAL validity, until then there is not.

    so actually its any but inane because my harping is based off of people THINKING their opinion is more meaningful than others when it isnt.

    2.) see maybe you do get it, this is your OPINION and nothing more. Many here disagree because the many find great substance in pointing out when a person is presenting false information or trying to push the falsehood of more than opinion.

    But like i said the only thing im discussing is what i pointed out. The statement was just an opinion based on nothing substantial or anybody that opinions that disagree.

    Your move now is to try and debate otherwise or move on because your deflections and random derails always fail with me. lol
    if you disagree by all means try you r best to support otherwise

    one more time here is the topic

    Calling an abortion "a willful taking of a human life" is nothing more than opinion and its no better than the opinions of people who disagree.

    If you disagree with this assessment you are free to try and support otherwise, id LOVE to read it.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Abortion is objectively the deliberate taking of a human life, a killing. You may subjectively think that killing is justified, or not, but to deny the reality entirely requires someone to either be insane or lying.

    You can't "disagree." Such a statement would no more be an "opinion" than 2+2=5 is an "opinion." No, that's just being ignorant and / or bad at math.

    And this is where we come back to Python. An argument is about more than simple contradiction; the problem you run into when all you have is contradiction is that you run afoul of reality when someone tells you 2+2=4 and all you have is "No it isn't." Of course, when one is doing it deliberately, the tactic makes a sick sort of sense.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) wrong because if no facts support that opinion making it true and no facts support a different opinion making it false BOTH those opinions are technically equal in reality unless one subjectively favors one opinion over the other.
    No, an opinion can be derived from fact and a) still be wrong or even b) speak to an issue with no obvious answer (hence, why we are likely debating it). In fact, as often is the case in debate, two widely deferring opinions can be derived from the same set of correct facts


    Opinions are opinions PERIOD.
    No, we just covered that not all opinions are equal


    so actually its any but inane because my harping is based off of people THINKING their opinion is more meaningful than others when it isnt.
    No, there is a clear qualitative issue there.

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