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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Since 1990 teen births have fallen by one -third and teen abortions have fallen about one-half.

    Something quite remarkable has happened to teenage pregnancy rates in the past few years.
    They’ve reached a three-decade low, down by 40 percent since 1990.
    Teen births and abortions also have fallen respectively by one-third and one-half.

    Preventing unwanted pregnancies: Forget sex ed and compare the pill to IUDs. - Slate Magazine

    From a Statement from The National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy
    10/3/2012
    (Washington, DC) --
    The U.S. teen birth rate declined 8 percent in 2011, according to new data released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Health Statistics.
    Since the recent peak in 1991, the teen birth rate has declined 49 percent and declined a full 25 percent between 2007 and 2011 alone.
    The overall national teen birth rate as well as rates for all age groups and all racial/ethnic groups are at historic lows.

    "The continued decline in the nation's teen birth rate has been positively breathtaking and the credit for this remarkable national success story goes to teens themselves," said Sarah Brown, CEO of The National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy.

    Details from the report include:
    ◾The teen birth rate for girls age 15-19 decreased 8% between 2010 and 2011, from 34.2 births per 1,000 to 31.3 per 1,000. This is following a 10% decline between 2009 and 2010.

    Teen birth rates are at their lowest levels since NCHS began tracking teen childbearing in the 1940s.

    Event | The National Campaign

    From CBS news:
    (CBS News) The rate of teenagers becoming mothers is declining rapidly, according to a new report published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The average teen birth rate decreased 9 percent from 2009 to 2010, reaching an all time low of 34.3 births per 1,000 women aged 15 to 19.


    That's a 44 percent drop from 1991 to 2010. There were less teenage mothers in 2010 than any year since 1946.
    U.S. teen pregnancy rates at an all-time low across all ethnicities - HealthPop - CBS News
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Your laughable pro-choice "best argument", or at least your particular rather feeble attempt at presenting it, was absolutely destroyed early on, long ago lain to rest. That you cannot assimilate this, that you keep resurrecting its memory from the deep grave it was buried is nothing if not pure folly... combined with a bit of an awkward obliviousness to your own surroundings, bordering on the embarrassing.

    Really, you should allow this poor excuse for an actual argument to rest in peace.

    I would advise as law enforcement usually does when there is a bad accident where nobody survived, please move on, there is nothing more you can do here.
    If you think you somehow refuted my claim that abortion is legal because the ZEF has no rights, then your position is even more delusional that I thought

    So far, all I've seen from you is your fantasy that someday SCOTUS might overturn Roe v Wade (which btw is a tacit admission that I've been right all along)
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    At least 46% of unplanned pregnancies are the direct consequence of not taking birth control or not taking it properly. Contraceptive Use Among U.S. Women Having Abortions in 2000-2001

    A woman having sex must take responsibility for herself, including being responsible for her birth control. I'm pretty tired of the ongoing little motif about how pro-life men are misogynists who blame the woman. A woman IS responsible for practicing birth control.
    Abortion *is* birth control

    When a woman has an abortion, she is taking responsibility

    The abortion banners focus on a woman's supposed "irresponsibility" just demonstrates how their intent is on punishing the immorality of pregnant women for being so "loose"
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If you're misogynistic (as many abortion banners are) it's easy to say that "Those hundreds of thousands of women are just a drop in the bucket compared to the millions of abortions that take place every year, so I'm going to go bat crap crazy over the miniscule # of late-term abortions"
    That is just another of your off the cuff factual inaccuracies which we chuckle about, what are your sources on those percentages on pro life misogynists...? Especially when take the time to consider that many pro lifers are women themselves...

    ...and you obviously do not have to take that bat trip, some might rightly say that train had already left bat cave station many moons ago.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If you think you somehow refuted my claim that abortion is legal because the ZEF has no rights, then your position is even more delusional that I thought

    So far, all I've seen from you is your fantasy that someday SCOTUS might overturn Roe v Wade (which btw is a tacit admission that I've been right all along)
    Your overuse of the term delusional is just a reflection of your projection of yourself in the mirror...

    Sorry old boy, smashed every one of your bevy of fondest fantasies... along with your continuous SCOTUS misstatements, misjudgements and misinterpretations.

    The worst thing, or at least in contention for the worst thing, about a liberal education is that most schools obviously either never intended to teach students reading comprehension and critical thinking... or they just generally never get around to actually teaching them.

    Whatever the cause, the result is clear.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Your overuse of the term delusional is just a reflection of your projection of yourself in the mirror...

    Sorry old boy, smashed every one of your bevy of fondest fantasies... along with your continuous SCOTUS misstatements, misjudgements and misinterpretations.

    The worst thing, or at least in contention for the worst thing, about a liberal education is that most schools obviously either never intended to teach students reading comprehension and critical thinking... or they just generally never get around to actually teaching them.

    Whatever the cause, the result is clear.
    Your overuse of delusions is just a reflection of the poverty of your arguments.

    But thanks for another fact-free post. In the meantime:

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    In short, the unborn have never been recognized in the law as persons
    Several decisions of this Court make clear that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Loving v. Virginia, 388 U. S. 1, 12; Griswold v. Connecticut, supra; Pierce v. Society of Sisters, supra; Meyer v. Nebraska, supra. See also Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U. S. 158, 166; Skinner v. Oklahoma, 316 U. S. 535, 541. As recently as last Term, in Eisenstadt v. Baird, 405 U. S. 438, 453, we recognized "the right of the individual, married or single, to be free from unwarranted governmental intrusion into matters so fundamentally affecting a person 170*170 as the decision whether to bear or beget a child." That right necessarily includes the right of a woman to decide whether or not to terminate her pregnancy
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    In the US, and estimated 20,000-35,000 women get pregnant from rape every year

    If 20,000 men died of a disease in one year, you can be damn sure it would be called an epidemic
    And if over 1 MILLION were killed each year, over 50 MILLION in a 40 year period... what might that be called... genocide? Or more properly maybe auto-genocide, or democide, perhaps mass murder or mass infanticide?

    Worse than a small epidemic ... only if one is rational, probably.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Since 1990 teen births have fallen by one -third and teen abortions have fallen about one-half.



    Preventing unwanted pregnancies: Forget sex ed and compare the pill to IUDs. - Slate Magazine

    From a Statement from The National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy



    Event | The National Campaign

    From CBS news:

    U.S. teen pregnancy rates at an all-time low across all ethnicities - HealthPop - CBS News
    This is very good news, but what would explain the fairly consistent, although marginally dropping, rate of abortions over the last 15 years? - from about 1.36 million in 1996 to about 1.21 million now. Are young women forgetting what they learn in school as it relates to birth control and safe sex when they get into their 20s and beyond? If young women are learning how to avoid unwanted pregnancies, why isn't that carrying over to drastic reductions in abortions across the board?
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    And if over 1 MILLION were killed each year, over 50 MILLION in a 40 year period... what might that be called... genocide? Or more properly maybe auto-genocide, or democide, perhaps mass murder or mass infanticide?

    Worse than a small epidemic ... only if one is rational, probably.
    Abortion hasn't killed any infants so it's not infanticide

    The purpose of abortion isn't to eliminate a social group or destroy their culture, so it's not genocide either

    ZEF's aren't persons, so it's not democide

    And abortion is legal, so it's not murder
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    This is very good news, but what would explain the fairly consistent, although marginally dropping, rate of abortions over the last 15 years? ...
    In my opinion it is NOT the raw numbers of abortions that have taken place that matter but rather the fact that
    the numbers of abortions per 1000 women btween the ages of 15-44 are falling .
    In 1981 they were 6.87 in 1982 they stated falling and by 2008 they fell to 3.99.
    1981 6.87
    1982 6.79

    [By]2008 they fell to 3.99
    United States abortion rates, 1960-2008
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