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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    That works, too, but defining abortion as "inhumane" when the vast majority of abortions occur before the fetus is physically, biologically capable of feeling pain is more than a little wonky. We could quibble over the definition of "barbarous" but it seems to me that killing something with surgical tools in a sanitized medical clinic doesn't fit the bill, either.
    You mean like Gosnell?

    Oh, BTW, Pain receptors in the brain are formed at 8 weeks.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post

    Oh, BTW, Pain receptors in the brain are formed at 8 weeks.
    Until about the 26th week of gestation, the EEG is as flat as that of brain dead person.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Until about the 26th week of gestation, the EEG is as flat as that of brain dead person.
    Have we mapped, and understand all of the brains function?
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Not really because the boyfriend can be charged under the Federal feticide law , where the fetus does not have to be a person.
    It is according to feticide laws "a child in utero"...not a person.
    He is also facing charges of interfering with interstate commerce.(because he intentionaly swapped medicatuion.)


    Read more: FBI charged man with murder after, they say, he tricked girlfriend into taking abortion pill
    If he beats the interstate commerce charge, the murder charge is automatically dropped. It should be rather easy, since the woman didn't endure bodily harm, since the negative side effects of misoprostol is gas. Not condoning what he did, just will be difficult to make that charge stick.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then the boyfriend should not be charged with murder because no person died. However the court could decide that it was a person, just as PP fears.

    The door has been opened to more legal debate.
    This case could lead to the Unborn Victims of Violence Act being ruled unconstitutional.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Complex human beings puzzle you? Or is it the concept of not being able to control other's thoughts and views that troubles you?

    I appreciate that the left likes to co-opt words and phrases for their own mangled meanings, however, I believe in the purity of the English language. Too bad you believe the term pro-choice is solely code for pro-abortion whereas I actually believe pro-choice is code for believing that people should be free to make their own choice about almost anything, including abortion.
    I am puzzled by neither the complex nor the dishonest
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    The Unborn Victims Act, if I'm not mistaken, only applies during the commission of a crime, but more in particular, federal crimes. There is a list of the qualifying crimes within the UVA. People have to remember that a fetus is considered to be a legal victim...not a legal person in the UVA. There's a big difference in meaning. The law created a special legal term for a "child in utero" in order to apply the law. It in no way changes "personhood status" of the fetus.

    To set off a hail storm... in my opinion, I don't see this as a convictable act directly to the near 7 week old fetus in and of itself....as it's not considered viable. It's not a legally defined person. Consequently, I don't think "murder" is the appropriate charge...UNLESS other actions by the man charged falls within the crimes listed in the UVA of 2004.

    IMHO, the only true victim is the woman. She was unknowingly drugged with a potentially dangerous drug when not properly administered or advised by a professions medical provider or pharmacist. Her rights to privacy and liberty was violated. She did incur an unwanted, unsolicited personal loss caused by the man, which caused her mental and possibly physical damage.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I am puzzled by neither the complex nor the dishonest
    What kind of arrogant fool thinks so highly of themselves that they feel free to claim someone else's feelings and beliefs are dishonest?
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    What kind of arrogant fool thinks so highly of themselves that they feel free to claim someone else's feelings and beliefs are dishonest?
    When someone makes two contradicting claims about themselves, it is easy to conclude that at least one of those claims is either a lie, or the product of confusion.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    When someone makes two contradicting claims about themselves, it is easy to conclude that at least one of those claims is either a lie, or the product of confusion.
    Clearly, again, you haven't a clue of what you speak. I do find it remarkable, however, that the average liberal, even those who hide behind the "independent" label, are so full of themselves that they have to try to dissect the words and views of others, doing it badly, when they can't even lucidly express themselves and their own views on a regular basis.

    Do us all a favor and stick to expressing your own opinions and views and I'll express my own. I don't need your intellectually flawed analysis.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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