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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Though I am not religious, I find it odd that people would try and project a legal definition here.
    That's the modern version of the sixth commandment which was used. It seems to have change from 'kill' to 'murder', and both are apparently moral positions.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Moses supposes his toeses are roses, but Moses supposes erroneously, for Moses he knowses his toeses aren't roses, as Moses supposes his toeses to be.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The issue is using a legal term to speak about a moral or ethical position.
    I'm not sure I am following. if you'r looking at the ten commandments as as a moral and ethical guide, it seems strange the base your interpretation of them on something as malleable as a human legal code. But as I already pointed out "the law" seems like it could have various meanings in this case, including such things as Talmudic law, or 'god's law". If there is even a distinction between the two

    If you're speaking about moral or ethics, then "Killing" or perhaps "Slaying" would be more appropriate. Murder is a term, by it's very definition, steeped in the discussion of LAW not morals and ethics, as it is UNLAWFUL killing.
    What's bizzare is people clinging to the notion that they need to call abortion murder, seemingly for purely political purposes of wanting to use it as an emotional tool to bludgeon opposition with, rather than calling it something more accurate to their position such as immoral/unjust/wrongful killing or slaying.[/QUOTE]

    Where did I ever claim abortion was murder? It was more a general observation about the approach to ethical and moral reasoning

    PS Websters also list something to the effect of "to kill barbarously" under their definitions of murder

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's the modern version of the sixth commandment which was used. It seems to have change from 'kill' to 'murder', and both are apparently moral positions.
    Yeah, but if your moral position is based on nothing more than current law, it's rather weak and transient.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Moses supposes his toeses are roses, but Moses supposes erroneously, for Moses he knowses his toeses aren't roses, as Moses supposes his toeses to be.
    Outside the cute little quip you pose here, there is a good question still....And that is, who makes you, or anyone else to say what others beliefs are right or wrong?
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    With a little research it's my guess that those who support abortion tend to be agnostics or atheists, and have little regard for anyone's life apart from their own. Even their own lives are probably quite shallow.
    id bet the farm and tractor you are wrong lol
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Outside the cute little quip you pose here, there is a good question still....And that is, who makes you, or anyone else to say what others beliefs are right or wrong?
    You can believe what you want about the morality of abortion and what the legality of abortion should be, but if you believe that it is murder you are not expressing an opinion-- you are simply wrong. It is not the unlawful and deliberate killing of another person, because it is not unlawful and the entity killed is not legally a person. Not to mention, of course, that even when it was strictly prohibited, abortion was never considered to be murder; that is wholly a modern invention.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    i wonder why no one ever addresses the millions of people that have had abortions and felt obligated by their morals and responsibilities to do so.
    I wonder why their morals dont count and others some how are magically more important?

    I wonder why people quote the bible but yet ignore other parts of it, i wonder why they quote the bible but wont accept "certain translations" or versions old vs new testament, king James etc etc based on just their opinion

    this is why i would never use my personal morals/beliefs that are based on religion to try and make laws to force others to follow. Nor would i use it to judge others since thats completely backwards from what i was taught religion is for and is about.

    The religion argument for abortion and marriage when we are talking legality will always be failures. This is why my religion never comes play for the vast majority of conversations about politics, rights, freedoms and liberties. Its because it has no business coming up. I wont force my Christianity on others.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    You can believe what you want about the morality of abortion and what the legality of abortion should be, but if you believe that it is murder you are not expressing an opinion-- you are simply wrong. It is not the unlawful and deliberate killing of another person, because it is not unlawful and the entity killed is not legally a person. Not to mention, of course, that even when it was strictly prohibited, abortion was never considered to be murder; that is wholly a modern invention.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Laws of man have no providence in the face of God.
    are you saying that only your opinion of your god matters?
    what about the opinion of others of your god or the opinions of others and their god?
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