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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Thanks for having me look up a religious source for the translation.
    One doesn't have to be religious to understand murder is wrong.

    I love how you progressives treat morality as a symptom of religion.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Outraged?

    I'm perturbed.

    Apparently in our society only woman dictate what is a viable life. If they want to keep the "human tissue" "it" is called a "baby" and if they don't want the "tissue" "it's" called a "fetus" and progressives are content with that double standard.

    Given our present law - the man shouldn't be charged.
    I don't disagree, but actually the man should have been charged based on the federal law that exists. The fact is, the federal law is contradictory in the face of the Supreme Court's rulings on abortion. The reason I suggested the pro-choice crowd should be outraged by this charge is because unless the charge is dropped there's a good chance this case will get to the Supreme Court if the man is convicted of first degree murder at which point it will be up to the Supreme Court to decide if the federal law is unconstitutional or if Roe v Wade and rulings after need to be narrowed opening the way for states to further restrict access to abortion. This is particularly the case since the man used medication that doctors normally use to end a pregnancy within the first 9 weeks.

    It's either murder or it's not - you can't have it both ways nor can you have laws based on the gender of the "murderer".
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't disagree, but actually the man should have been charged based on the federal law that exists. The fact is, the federal law is contradictory in the face of the Supreme Court's rulings on abortion. The reason I suggested the pro-choice crowd should be outraged by this charge is because unless the charge is dropped there's a good chance this case will get to the Supreme Court if the man is convicted of first degree murder at which point it will be up to the Supreme Court to decide if the federal law is unconstitutional or if Roe v Wade and rulings after need to be narrowed opening the way for states to further restrict access to abortion. This is particularly the case since the man used medication that doctors normally use to end a pregnancy within the first 9 weeks.

    It's either murder or it's not - you can't have it both ways nor can you have laws based on the gender of the "murderer".
    You can't charge him with murder....

    Do you have any idea how much precedence you're giving the pro-life crowed to overturn Roe vs Wade?

    I'll bet anything after Gosnell (sp) and this present nonsense abortion will be illegal in 5 years...

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You can't charge him with murder....

    Do you have any idea how much precedence you're giving the pro-life crowed to overturn Roe vs Wade?

    I'll bet anything after Gosnell (sp) and this present nonsense abortion will be illegal in 5 years...
    Under the federal statue used, he can be charged with murder. Whether or not he can be convicted of such is another story. There is a subtle yet perceivable shift in American public opinion in favor of more limited access to abortion as borne out by the actions of many state legislatures. It is why I think those who are pro-abortion should be concerned by this action although I, personally, am not concerned since I am both pro-choice and pro-life.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    This case is pretty simple if you ask me. If the fetus is a person it's murder, if the fetus is not a person then it's not murder. There has been a lot of mental acrobatics in this thread in order to get around this simple fact, particularly by Sangha, but his arguments are unconvincing and illogical.

    If you charge somebody with murder then you are saying they killed somebody, as in a person. Period.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Under the federal statue used, he can be charged with murder. Whether or not he can be convicted of such is another story. There is a subtle yet perceivable shift in American public opinion in favor of more limited access to abortion as borne out by the actions of many state legislatures. It is why I think those who are pro-abortion should be concerned by this action although I, personally, am not concerned since I am both pro-choice and pro-life.
    How can one be pro-choice and pro-life??

    In a perfect world this guy should be charged with murder, however progressives like to have their cake and eat it. Using their opinionated dictated form of law this man cannot be charged with murder considering a "fetus" is NOT a "person."

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    This case is pretty simple if you ask me. If the fetus is a person it's murder, if the fetus is not a person then it's not murder. There has been a lot of mental acrobatics in this thread in order to get around this simple fact, particularly by Sangha, but his arguments are unconvincing and illogical.

    If you charge somebody with murder then you are saying they killed somebody, as in a person. Period.
    That's the way I view the case and I'm pro-life.

    The man cannot be charged with murder because the "fetus" is not a person, hence the statute for murder is not applicable.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    How can one be pro-choice and pro-life??

    In a perfect world this guy should be charged with murder, however progressives like to have their cake and eat it. Using their opinionated dictated form of law this man cannot be charged with murder considering a "fetus" is NOT a "person."
    It's simple for me - I believe that life begins at conception, this is why I'm pro-life.

    I also believe that individuals have the right and responsibility to make their own choices in life and to live with the consequences of those choices. I can abhor the choices you make while still supporting your right to make them. I don't believe in government being too actively involved in the life choices of citizens.

    It's a similar attitude toward free speech - just because I believe in your right to believe and say whatever you like doesn't mean I have to agree with or like what you believe or say.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's simple for me - I believe that life begins at conception, this is why I'm pro-life.

    I also believe that individuals have the right and responsibility to make their own choices in life and to live with the consequences of those choices. I can abhor the choices you make while still supporting your right to make them. I don't believe in government being too actively involved in the life choices of citizens.

    It's a similar attitude toward free speech - just because I believe in your right to believe and say whatever you like doesn't mean I have to agree with or like what you believe or say.
    BINGO! A summary of my viewpoint on any given issue. I'm personally against abortion but I've come to the realization that government should never legislate morality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's simple for me - I believe that life begins at conception, this is why I'm pro-life.

    I also believe that individuals have the right and responsibility to make their own choices in life and to live with the consequences of those choices. I can abhor the choices you make while still supporting your right to make them. I don't believe in government being too actively involved in the life choices of citizens.

    It's a similar attitude toward free speech - just because I believe in your right to believe and say whatever you like doesn't mean I have to agree with or like what you believe or say.
    But murder is wrong....

    I agree with facing consequences for ones actions, however I only agree with that idea when it comes to victimless crimes - here we have a dead human. In this scenario a human life was impeded (as in all abortions).

    As a libertarian - My life is NOT more valuable than the fetus - we both have the same rights, and murdering a "fetus" is the same as murdering a 33-year-old man.

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