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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    So the "pro-choice philosophy" states that it's only murder when the mother wants the baby? This is more or less your position, minus all the mental acrobatics.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Yes it is.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    I've seen enough... Murder is MURDER.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I've seen enough... Murder is MURDER.
    theres legal murder than theres subjective murder

    only one is factual murder
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    im surprised this straw-man argument is still going on.
    Im pro-choice and i like this law, while it seems he'll get off because in Florida it mentions viability in the law a couple times and i dont see how the "Unborn Victims of Violence Act" would apply here unless im misunderstanding it.

    regardless though i like that he was "charged" we'll see if he gets convicted and this impacts my stance/reasoning on being pro-choice ZERO. In fact Most of pro-choice people I know personally share my basic beliefs and this doesnt impact them either. Not sure why people assume it would. Maybe SOME people.
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I've seen enough... Murder is MURDER.
    Yes. And abortion isn't, no matter how badly you attempt to deem it so.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Meh. I do not oppose infanticide laws that apply to fetuses as long as they are not designated as murder. Assaulting a pregnant woman such that she loses her baby is clearly a greater offense than assaulting a man or a non-pregnant woman, especially when the assault was for the deliberate purpose of inducing a miscarriage. Murder? Not hardly, but still greater than aggravated assault.



    And I am sorry to have to explain to you that when a person is occupying and modifying your body against your will, you have the right to use force in self-defense.



    Funny you pro-lifers keep bringing up slavery when you're the ones trying to demand involuntary servitude from women. And what is with this festering plague of pro-life "Libertarians"? You'll argue all goddamned day against liberal "human rights" on the basis that you can't have any right to any good or service if it would require another person to be forced to provide it to you-- and then you say that women should be forced to gestate children because of their innate "right to life". Or do Libertarian theories about personal rights simply not apply to women?



    That's really rich coming from a Libertarian. Isn't your argument that all human rights extend from property rights and the principle of self-ownership?
    Ok neocon...

    You don't want to know what is "rich" or "ripe" in your own party?

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Ok neocon...
    Didn't you just get done insulting me for my "illogical progressive partisan bubble"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You don't want to know what is "rich" or "ripe" in your own party?
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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You think it might be one of the Ten Commandments? It's actually Number 6 on the list.

    And you are probably right that it only applies to Christians and Jews. With a little research it's my guess that those who support abortion tend to be agnostics or atheists, and have little regard for anyone's life apart from their own. Even their own lives are probably quite shallow.
    I believe in the 10 commandments.
    Most moderen translations of the sixth commandment say:
    "You shall not murder. "

    There are two different Hebrew words (ratsakh, mut) and two Greek words (phoneuo, apokteino) for “murder” and “killing.” One means “to put to death,” and the other means “to murder.”
    The latter one is the one prohibited by the Ten Commandments, not the former. In fact, ratsakh has a broader definition than the English word “murder.”
    Ratsakh also covers deaths due to carelessness or neglect but is never used when describing killing during wartime.
    That is why most modern translations render the sixth commandment “You shall not murder” rather than “You shall not kill.”
    Read more: Why is "You shall not murder" in the Ten Commandments?

    I am a Christian and I am pro choice as is the Church I belong too.
    We feel women have a right to an early abortion if they feel that is the best choice at the time.
    We do not believe that an early fetus is yet a person.



    It is important to be aware that tens of millions of pro choice people are also Christians and / or Jewish people and that many Christians and/ or Jewish people and leaders were referring woman to safe ( for the woman) abortion services even before Roe vs Wade.

    Many in the RCRC do NOT believe that life/ensoulment begins with conception.
    They believe that life/ensoulment begins later in the pregnancy or at birth.


    A little history of The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice which includes many religious groups including:

    Conservative Judaism
    Rabbinical Assembly
    United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
    Women’s League for Conservative Judaism

    Episcopal Church


    Ethical Culture
    American Ethical Union National Service Conference

    Humanist Judaism
    Society for Humanistic Judaism

    Presbyterian Church (USA)

    Reconstructionist Judaism
    Jewish Reconstructionist Federation
    Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association

    Reform Judaism
    Central Conference of American Rabbis
    North American Federation of Temple Youth
    Union for Reform Judaism
    Women of Reform Judaism, The Federation of Temple Sisterhoods
    Women’s Rabbinic Network of Central Conference of American Rabbis

    United Church of Christ


    United Methodist Church
    General Board of Church and Society, United Methodist Church
    General Board of Global Ministries, Women’s Division, United Methodist Church

    Unitarian Universalist
    Unitarian Universalist Association
    Unitarian Universalist Women’s Federation
    Young Religious Unitarian Universalists
    Continental Unitarian Universalist Young Adult Network

    Caucuses/Organizations
    American Jewish Committee
    American Jewish Congress
    Anti-Defamation League
    Catholics for Choice
    Christian Lesbians Out (CLOUT)
    Church of the Brethren Womaen’s Caucus
    Disciples for Choice
    Episcopal Urban Caucus
    Episcopal Women’s Caucus
    Hadassah, WZOA
    Jewish Women International
    Lutheran Women’s Caucus
    Methodist Federation for Social Action
    NA’AMAT USA
    National Council of Jewish Women
    Presbyterians Affirming Reproductive Options (PARO)
    Women’s American ORT
    YWCA of the USA



    RCRC was founded in 1973 to safeguard the newly won constitutional right to privacy in decisions about abortion.
    The Coalition founders were clergy and lay leaders from mainstream religions, many of whom had provided women with referrals to safe abortion services before the Supreme Court legalized abortion in Roe v. Wade.
    The founders believed that there would be at most a ten-year struggle to secure the right to choose. In fact the struggle is far from over. It has changed and intensified, and the stakes are growing.

    Today, the Religious Coalition comprises national organizations from major faiths and traditions and religiously affiliated and independent religious organizations, affiliates throughout the country, the national Clergy for Choice network, Spiritual Youth for Reproductive Freedom, The National Black Church Initiative, La Iniciativa Latina and individuals who support reproductive choice and religious freedom. We have a strong presence on Capitol Hill, working for policies to ensure reproductive healthservices are available to all, regardless of income and to strengthen reproductive justice.

    While our member organizations are religiously and theologically diverse, they are unified in the commitment to preserve reproductive choice as a basic part of religious liberty.

    Our rational, healing perspective looks beyond the bitter abortion debate to seek solutions to pressing problems such as unintended pregnancy, the spread of HIV/AIDS, inadequate health care and health insurance, and the severe reduction in reproductive health care services.

    We support access to sex education, family planning and contraception, affordable child care and health care, and adoption services as well as safe, legal, abortion services, regardless of income. As an organization committed to reproductive justice, we work for public policies that ensure the medical, economic, and educational resources necessary for healthy families and communities that are equipped to nurture children in peace and love.
    RCRC - Dedicated to Reproductive Justice
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    "You shall not murder. "
    Though I am not religious, I find it odd that people would try and project a legal definition here.

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