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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Really? since when is abortion a position of the "founding fathers?"
    Who said it was? This was certainly a position they opposed: "you cannot own an individual". So I ask again, with the founders owning many individuals, and you, a dogmatic believer in what they wrote and did, why do you hate their ideas? You can own individuals. The founders did it. Why not us?
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Really? since when is abortion a position of the "founding fathers?"

    I cant even believe you actually said what you said..... Do you actually believe abortion is an amendment of the Bill of Rights?

    If it mattered a woman would probably be executed for abortion or imprisoned for a good deal of time 200 years ago over the fact that abortion is murder.
    There is often a great deal of speculation about what the Founding fathers thought, or meant to say. and an eagerness to turn words into something else than what they were intended to convey.. That abortion equals privacy might be one of the greatest leaps in that direction anyone ever made.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There is often a great deal of speculation about what the Founding fathers thought, or meant to say. and an eagerness to turn words into something else than what they were intended to convey.. That abortion equals privacy might be one of the greatest leaps in that direction anyone ever made.
    Yes, there's no doubt that the Founding Fathers wanted their "limited govt." to decide whether a couple should have a baby or not.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Really? since when is abortion a position of the "founding fathers?"

    I cant even believe you actually said what you said..... Do you actually believe abortion is an amendment of the Bill of Rights?

    If it mattered a woman would probably be executed for abortion or imprisoned for a good deal of time 200 years ago over the fact that abortion is murder.
    Actually abortion was perfectly legal before "quickening" in Colonial America.
    The Founding Fathers and Abortion in Colonial America

    Few issues arouse as much passion as abortion. This has not always been the case, however.
    Following English law, abortion was legal in the American colonies until the time of “quickening” in the fetus, when the baby started to move, usually around the fourth month of pregnancy.
    Recipes for herbal potions including pennyroyal, savin and other plants capable of “bringing on the menses” were common in home medical guides of the period.
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    Benjamin Franklin’s views can be inferred from an incident that occurred in 1729 when his former employer, newspaper editor Samuel Keimer of Philadelphia, published an encyclopedia whose very first volume included a detailed article on abortion, including directions for ending an unwanted pregnancy (“immoderate Evacuations, violent Motions, sudden Passions, Frights … violent Purgatives and in the general anything that tends to promote the Menses.”)
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    American Creation: The Founding Fathers and Abortion in Colonial America
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    No not really considering a baby is NOT AN ORGAN and is not a possession, but rather an individual with his or her own body.




    A fetus below a certain age cannot survive without its mother.

    It is obviously not an independent, self sustaining organism.

    Why would anyone say that they are a totally fictional character like John Galt?




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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who said it was? This was certainly a position they opposed: "you cannot own an individual". So I ask again, with the founders owning many individuals, and you, a dogmatic believer in what they wrote and did, why do you hate their ideas? You can own individuals. The founders did it. Why not us?



    Excellent point.

    If the founding fathers did it, it must be OK, eh?

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    The anti-choicers will claim that the founders didn't really own slaves, they just stored them.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who said it was? This was certainly a position they opposed: "you cannot own an individual". So I ask again, with the founders owning many individuals, and you, a dogmatic believer in what they wrote and did, why do you hate their ideas? You can own individuals. The founders did it. Why not us?
    There is a big difference, slaves were purchased property, babies/fetuses aren't.

    A slave was property because a slave was purchased.

    That is the difference.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Really? since when is abortion a position of the "founding fathers?"

    I cant even believe you actually said what you said..... Do you actually believe abortion is an amendment of the Bill of Rights?

    If it mattered a woman would probably be executed for abortion or imprisoned for a good deal of time 200 years ago over the fact that abortion is murder.


    There is nothing that we can do about what happened 200 years ago, but there is a lot that we can do about what is happening right now.

    And we are going to do it.

    Wait (Not long.) and see.




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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    There is a big difference, slaves were purchased property, babies/fetuses aren't.
    So what you're saying is that some individuals can be owned, and some individuals can't?
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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