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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Murder is not a "private" matter.

    If I off some random person in private should that be legal?



    Of course not.

    But that random person is not part of your body like a fetus is with its mother.

    Big difference, eh?




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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I also support abortion.
    It was pro life groups that pushed for feticide laws hoping to cause discourse ...but since they had to make provisions that keeps abortion legal within the parameters of Roe vs Wade the SC allowed the feticide laws to stand.
    That may very well be, but regardless of how these laws came about I think they are morally unsupportable. I also question the legal basis behind them even if the Supreme Court has (as you say) refused to strike them down.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    That may very well be, but regardless of how these laws came about I think they are morally unsupportable. I also question the legal basis behind them even if the Supreme Court has (as you say) refused to strike them down.
    As I've said previously, the defense in this case should/could use the Supreme Court to challenge the laying of the charge of first degree murder. Would be nice to see Ruth Bader Ginsburg called as an expert witness for the defense on the legal definition of a person.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You're generally very logical in your discussions but to suggest that abortion law has anything to do with "couples" or has any involvement of the male in the equation is really laughable. It is what it is so let's not play games around it to make it appear to be a joint decision unless you believe a joint decision is when the man agrees with the woman's choice.
    My husband and I always talked with each other and we planned when we wanted children, how many to have and how apart we wanted them.

    All of our children were planned.
    My miscarriages were not planned ( but we had no control over unexpected miscarriages ) .
    Our second and third child were farther apart than we had hoped because of the unplanned miscarriages.
    In a loving relationship most couples do plan all important things together including the right time to try start a family,
    How many children they would like within their financial means , and the spacing of the children keeping in mind the health of
    The woman.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    If that random person was inside your body using your blood and organs without your permission ...than yes ,you can legally off the random person .
    Sorry to explain to you that babies (or in your dimension) are not "tissue" but living beings and individuals and you cannot own an individual.

    IMO, that excuse you made is on par with the concept of slavery... "well I own this individual and his or her fate is dictated by my decisions"

    Of course most of the pro-baby killing crowed are against slavery, with the exception of abortion.

    Of course that isn't a cog in progressive philosophy, because in progressiveland it can be night and day at the same time - it's only a matter of opinion on weather the sun is up or down...

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    My husband and I always talked with each other and we planned when we wanted children, how many to have and how apart we wanted them.

    All of our children were planned.
    My miscarriages were not planned ( but we had no control over unexpected miscarriages ) .
    Our second and third child were farther apart than we had hoped because of the unplanned miscarriages.
    In a loving relationship most couples do plan all important things together including the right time to try start a family,
    How many children they would like within their financial means , and the spacing of the children keeping in mind the health of
    The woman.
    All very admirable, but utterly irrelevant in the legal decision to abort. I'm presuming you're not suggesting your husband has veto power over the decision making process you describe whereas you obviously do.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Of course not.

    But that random person is not part of your body like a fetus is with its mother.

    Big difference, eh?




    "If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there." ~ Lewis Carroll
    No not really considering a baby is NOT AN ORGAN and is not a possession, but rather an individual with his or her own body.

    Apparently progressives don't comprehend life and individualism.

    No progressives view everything as property - even people - which can be clearly seen by the contempt they have for black republicans (or non collectivist progressives) woman, gays, Mexicans or just about any non-progressive minority. They view those individuals as slaves to a political party (democrat) hence the name "Uncle Tom" (which is an oxymoron considering progressives love government).

    Progressives think they OWN minority groups.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Sorry to explain to you that babies (or in your dimension) are not "tissue" but living beings and individuals and you cannot own an individual
    The Found Fathers thought differently. Why do you hate the Founding Fathers?
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The Found Fathers thought differently. Why do you hate the Founding Fathers?
    Really? since when is abortion a position of the "founding fathers?"

    I cant even believe you actually said what you said..... Do you actually believe abortion is an amendment of the Bill of Rights?

    If it mattered a woman would probably be executed for abortion or imprisoned for a good deal of time 200 years ago over the fact that abortion is murder.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Actually the "privacy" precedent was set 8 years before Roe vs Wade in Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 US 479 (1965), which nullified laws that required married couples needed to be counseled about the use of contraceptives.
    From Wiki:

    Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965),[1] is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the Constitution protected a right to privacy.
    The case involved a Connecticut law that prohibited the use of contraceptives.

    By a vote of 7–2, the Supreme Court invalidated the law on the grounds that it violated the "right to marital privacy".

    Although the Bill of Rights does not explicitly mention "privacy", Justice William O. Douglas wrote for the majority that the right was to be found in the "penumbras" and "emanations" of other constitutional protections.

    Justice Arthur Goldberg wrote a concurring opinion in which he used the Ninth Amendment to defend the Supreme Court's ruling.
    Justice John Marshall Harlan II wrote a concurring opinion in which he argued that privacy is protected by the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
    Justice Byron White also wrote a concurrence [/B]based on the due process clause.[/B]
    Griswold v. Connecticut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Here is an article about the development of the right to privacy in US law starting in 1890 up to 1989.

    Development of the Right of Privacy :: Fourteenth Amendment--Rights Guaranteed: Privileges and Immunities of Citizenship, Due Process, and Equal Protection :: US Constitution :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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