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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucker View Post
    It is completely outrageous. It is pretty baldly stating that a murder charge can be laid based solely on a woman's right to choose.
    Pretty much.... Apparently a woman decides if her child is viable or not.

    It's disgusting....

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Pretty much.... Apparently a woman decides if her child is viable or not.

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    Not really.
    I wanted all my pregnancies to become viable but I had two miscarriages.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Not really.
    I wanted all my pregnancies to become viable but I had two miscarriages.
    Well I was speaking of abortions. As in - a woman decides weather she wants the baby or not regardless of weather or not the child (as progressives call them fetus) is a living being.

    Hell, a woman could be on her way to abort a baby, get shot in a random situation which results in her babies death and the person who shot her resulting in her babies death would be charged with murder based on HER agenda of keeping the baby or not.

    Abortion is so gray both morally, ethically and legally that I don't even understand how it is even legal or how anyone could support such a questionable act.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Well I was speaking of abortions. As in - a woman decides weather she wants the baby or not regardless of weather or not the child (as progressives call them fetus) is a living being.

    Hell, a woman could be on her way to abort a baby, get shot in a random situation which results in her babies death and the person who shot her resulting in her babies death would be charged with murder based on HER agenda of keeping the baby or not.

    Abortion is so gray both morally, ethically and legally that I don't even understand how it is even legal or how anyone could support such a questionable act.
    Abortion is legal because women and/or couples have a "right to privacy" regarding reproductivity.
    She/they can decide when they want to try for to have a child/ children , how many children she/they would like to have and how far apart to space her/their children. That is basically what the " right to privacy" is about regarding reproductivity.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Abortion is legal because women and/or couples have a "right to privacy" regarding reproductivity.
    She/they can decide when they want to try for to have a child/ children , how many children she/they would like to have and how far apart to space her/their children. That is basically what the " right to privacy" is about regarding reproductivity.
    Murder is not a "private" matter.

    If I off some random person in private should that be legal?

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Meh. Man poisoned his girlfriend to take away her right to decide whether or not to have a baby. He may not be guilty of "murder" in my eyes, but I'll be damned if I feel sorry for him.
    Sure, but that is the heart of the matter. I support the status quo on abortion, but I find the dissonance between legalized abortion and our infanticide laws to be extremely disconcerting. For something as important as life and death I think it is necessary for us to have a uniform standard. Either a fetus is not a life or it is one. Since abortion is legal I strongly oppose infanticide laws as they relate to fetuses.

    This man should be charged with assault and reckless endangerment. But murder? That doesn't ring true and its important that we say as much.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    ?..

    If I off some random person in private should that be legal?
    If that random person was inside your body using your blood and organs without your permission ...than yes ,you can legally off the random person .
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Fla. Man Accused of Killing Ex-Girlfriend's Fetus - ABC News

    Ex-girlfriend was six weeks, five days pregnant, by her ex-boyfriend. Ex-boyfriend didn't want to have a child, ex-girlfriend did.

    Ex-boyfriend tricked her into taking a pill that caused her to go into labor and lose the "baby".

    He is now charged with first-degree murder.

    Doesn't the crime of murder require a "person" to be killed? Doesn't abortion law tell us that a fetus that is six weeks, five days old is not a person?

    Shouldn't the pro-choice, pro-abortion crowd be outraged that this charge was laid and what is the impact going forward if he is convicted of first-degree murder?
    Manslaughter at the most. I think that this is a bs charge as it stands, but maybe a charge of assault could be applicable due to unwarranted damage done to someone else's body. Beyond that, though, they have no real claim.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Sure, but that is the heart of the matter. I support the status quo on abortion, but I find the dissonance between legalized abortion and our infanticide laws to be extremely disconcerting. For something as important as life and death I think it is necessary for us to have a uniform standard. Either a fetus is not a life or it is one. Since abortion is legal I strongly oppose infanticide laws as they relate to fetuses.

    This man should be charged with assault and reckless endangerment. But murder? That doesn't ring true and its important that we say as much.
    I also support abortion.
    It was pro life groups that pushed for feticide laws hoping to cause discourse ...but since they had to make provisions that keeps abortion legal within the parameters of Roe vs Wade the SC allowed the feticide laws to stand.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Abortion is legal because women and/or couples have a "right to privacy" regarding reproductivity.
    She/they can decide when they want to try for to have a child/ children , how many children she/they would like to have and how far apart to space her/their children. That is basically what the " right to privacy" is about regarding reproductivity.
    You're generally very logical in your discussions but to suggest that abortion law has anything to do with "couples" or has any involvement of the male in the equation is really laughable. It is what it is so let's not play games around it to make it appear to be a joint decision unless you believe a joint decision is when the man agrees with the woman's choice.
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