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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    I think when it comes to life and death, the state should and often does take a valid interest in such outcomes, whether you particularly like it or not, fellow citizen. And again we get back to this "persons" problem you have. You have yet to provide proof of your assertions regarding this term, yet yourself have given proof that in the 2004 Unborn Victims of Violence Act, that the child in utero, in the womb, is considered to have legal rights. Correct? it is not the mother that has rights under this law, it is the child if harmed that is given legal status. Add to that the separate DNA, the non permanence which makes ludicrous the idea of this baby being solely an appendage of the mother, the fact that the baby is constantly alive from conception, that it is also incontrovertibly human...I mean, what cards are you holding in this bluff poker being played, remind me...
    As usual, you have got most everything wrong. For one, I have proven that under the constitution, the unborn are not considered persons. For another, UVVA does not protect any rights of the unborn. It protects the mother



    Again you assert this without proving it... just because you say something over and over and over and over... well, you get the point, you get the point, you get the point, you get the point...
    Which is why you repeating your denial is laughable.


    I am pretty sure that we, as delineated for all to see in our Fifth Amendment rights, cannot, under the Constitution, be "deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" and this most certainly is, undeniably is, depriving a living human of their rightful life, this heinous excuse instead inserted, a right not to have to take proper responsibility for what has been done, what they have created, this "right" to choose to supersede life itself. I think not, plus it is incumbent upon government to involve itself when the parties involved are so barbarous... 52 million abortions... since Roe...that is approaching Moaist death levels.
    The Fifth applies only to persons.

    Repeating your denials over and over again...well, you get the point

    Or do you?


    Simple fact is, this unwanted "property" is given shorter shrift than were slaves even, considered no more than a wart to be excised, to these women who practice, and men who preach, this atrocious ritual with death. Truthfully, regarding the "sniff test"...one has difficulty imagining the other being much able to distinguish one bad smell from all that must be lingering in such constant and close proximity... must be one super talented nose...
    There is nothing more entertaining to me than watching the abortion banners trying to prove the moral superiority of their position with lies.

    I hope you continue comparing abortion with slavery, just as other nutbaggers compare Planned Parenthood with the KKK. It will help maintain the GOP's reputation as "the party of stupid"
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Meh. Man poisoned his girlfriend to take away her right to decide whether or not to have a baby. He may not be guilty of "murder" in my eyes, but I'll be damned if I feel sorry for him.
    He was only exerciseing his own right to chose to be a parent.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    He was only exerciseing his own right to chose to be a parent.
    He should have the right to choose not to be a parent. He doesn't have the right to kill someone else's baby.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    He should have the right to choose not to be a parent. He doesn't have the right to kill someone else's baby.
    It was his baby. If he didn't chose to not be a patent he would have financial obligation to the born child.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    He should have the right to choose not to be a parent. He doesn't have the right to kill someone else's baby.


    This didn't have to happen.

    Generally I support a woman's right to choose within reason.

    But anyone who doesn't want to be a father or mother has a lot of ways to avoid making babies, like contraception, not having sex, etc.

    I don't know that a six-week old fetus can be considered a person, it is certainly not viable, but I also don't know if that is a real issue in this case.




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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How did you get that from what I said? If anything it would say the opposite.
    Because I assumed you believe in equal rights. Guess I was wrong. You've bought into the bull****, hook, line and sinker.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Because I assumed you believe in equal rights. Guess I was wrong. You've bought into the bull****, hook, line and sinker.
    Show me where I've stated that a woman has a right to procreate.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    "The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".[1]"

    Unborn Victims of Violence Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Nuff said....!
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    It was his baby. If he didn't chose to not be a patent he would have financial obligation to the born child.
    It is not capable of being "his baby" while it is inside her womb.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    also im curious why so many people assume that this is somehow hypocritical or inconsistent to the pro-choice stance like its ONE stance lol

    seems like per the law this guy could get off but i still like that he is charged.

    Florida Fla. Stat. Ann. 316.193 (2005)Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
    defines DUI manslaughter to include the death of an unborn quick child.
    Fla. Stat. Ann. 782.071 Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
    defines vehicular homicide as the killing of a human being, or the killing of a viable fetus by any injury to the mother, caused by the operation of a motor vehicle by another in a reckless manner likely to cause the death of, or great bodily harm to, another.
    Fla. Stat. Ann. 782.09 Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
    defines murder as the willful killing of an unborn quick child by any injury to the mother. The law also defines manslaughter.
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