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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Exactly. She has a choice. (She actually has several.) He should, too, as long as his choice doesn't involve taking hers away.



    I think it's a mistake to keep calling it "his kid" when the only thing he contributed to it was his DNA.
    Men have a choice too

    They can have a medical procedure which will prevent pregnancy. It's called a vasectomy
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    We are intellectually and legally consistent - *ALL* men are financially liable for contributing to the support of their children
    Sure, the women get all the money while the men get ZERO part of the decision. That sounds super equal.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Sure, the women get all the money while the men get ZERO part of the decision. That sounds super equal.
    Men have as much choice as women do when it comes to pregnancies. They can have a medical procedure that will prevent them from impregnating a woman.

    And women don't get the money; The children do
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Men have as much choice as women do when it comes to pregnancies. They can have a medical procedure that will prevent them from impregnating a woman.

    And women don't get the money; The children do
    1) If that's the case, we should ban all abortions, because women could've gotten a hysterectomy. Because they didn't it's their choice to become pregnant. I like that idea, good job.

    2) The children don't get checks written to them, the woman does. She can use it for diapers or beer, it's her choice.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    1) If that's the case, we should ban all abortions, because women could've gotten a hysterectomy. Because they didn't it's their choice to become pregnant. I like that idea, good job.

    2) The children don't get checks written to them, the woman does. She can use it for diapers or beer, it's her choice.
    Your arguments have no grounding in reality.

    1) Rights can not be denied because a person did not exercise them at some point in the past

    2) A woman who has custody of her children is required to properly care for them.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Men have a choice too

    They can have a medical procedure which will prevent pregnancy. It's called a vasectomy
    Intellectually and morally dishonest. Women have choices once pregnancy occurs-- they can have an abortion or give their child up for adoption, either without consulting the biological father. Men are held financially responsible for the woman's decision to have and keep the baby. This is neither fair nor just.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Intellectually and morally dishonest. Women have choices once pregnancy occurs-- they can have an abortion or give their child up for adoption, either without consulting the biological father. Men are held financially responsible for the woman's decision to have and keep the baby. This is neither fair nor just.
    Men can have abortions too. I know of no law that forbids a man from having an abortion.

    And both men and women are held financially responsible for supporting their children
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Men can have abortions too. I know of no law that forbids a man from having an abortion.
    Again, morally and intellectually dishonest.

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    And both men and women are held financially responsible for supporting their children
    Yes. But when a woman is financially responsible for supporting a child, it's because she made the decision to have and keep the child. When a man is financially responsible for supporting a child, it is because a woman has made that decision for him. That is unjust.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your arguments have no grounding in reality.

    1) Rights can not be denied because a person did not exercise them at some point in the past

    2) A woman who has custody of her children is required to properly care for them.
    What rights are you referring to? You made the statement that a man's only power in the decision making process is to have a vasectomy before he has sex. Why shouldn't women have hysterectomies before they have sex if they don't want to have a baby? That sounds really fair to me.

    And no, your initial statement was wrong. The check is made out to the woman. All she has to do is feed the kid ramen and pick up some clothes at the salvation army. That several hundred dollars a month can be used on anything her heart desires.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    What rights are you referring to? You made the statement that a man's only power in the decision making process is to have a vasectomy before he has sex. Why shouldn't women have hysterectomies before they have sex if they don't want to have a baby? That sounds really fair to me.

    And no, your initial statement was wrong. The check is made out to the woman. All she has to do is feed the kid ramen and pick up some clothes at the salvation army. That several hundred dollars a month can be used on anything her heart desires.
    You are lying. I never said that having a vasectomy was the only power or choice that a man has.

    These laws are fair. They only seem unfair to the whiners who think men are oppressed because they lack self-control
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