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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That's another one of the big issues with pro-choice. They believe only the woman should have any say whatsoever in the life of the child. The man can just go **** himself, his opinion doesn't matter.
    Kinda goes hand-in-hand with the fact that the fetus is growing inside her ****ing body. People don't seem to grasp this point, even when they're telling pro-choicers to study biology more.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Kinda goes hand-in-hand with the fact that the fetus is growing inside her ****ing body. People don't seem to grasp this point, even when they're telling pro-choicers to study biology more.
    Here's a picture demonstration:



    They are two separate entities. Both are alive, both have a right to live. A woman should not be able to kill a man's baby just because she feels like it.

    At a minimum stop calling abortion murder when a man does it while still calling it 'freedom' when a woman does it.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Wrong

    A ZEF has no right to life
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    They are two separate entities.
    Never said they were the same thing. Said one was growing inside the other, which gives her the sole authority on decisions made about it.

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    Both are alive, both have a right to live.
    Both are alive. Only the woman has a right to be-- the fetus' life is conditional upon her good graces.

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    A woman should not be able to kill a man's baby just because she feels like it.
    Yeah, she should-- because it's not his baby until he's capable of raising it himself.

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    At a minimum stop calling abortion murder when a man does it while still calling it 'freedom' when a woman does it.
    Hey, it was pro-lifers who passed the UVVA in the first place. I haven't once called what he did murder; I just said I had no problem killing him for it.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Never said they were the same thing. Said one was growing inside the other, which gives her the sole authority on decisions made about it.



    Both are alive. Only the woman has a right to be-- the fetus' life is conditional upon her good graces.



    Yeah, she should-- because it's not his baby until he's capable of raising it himself.



    Hey, it was pro-lifers who passed the UVVA in the first place. I haven't once called what he did murder; I just said I had no problem killing him for it.
    Then the only way to remain intellectually consistent on that topic is to agree that men should never, under any circumstances, be financially liable for their children. If they don't get a say in the life of the child, they don't have to pay. Women shouldn't be able to just pick and choose whatever benefits them the most.

    It takes two to make a baby.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Then the only way to remain intellectually consistent on that topic is to agree that men should never, under any circumstances, be financially liable for their children.
    A man should be financially liable for his children only when they become his children-- with his consent.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    It takes two to make a baby.
    It does. But there's a massive imbalance between the role and responsibility each plays in the process.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    A man should be financially liable for his children only when they become his children-- with his consent.



    It does. But there's a massive imbalance between the role and responsibility each plays in the process.
    A woman doesn't have to be responsible for her child, especially if the man wants to keep it and she doesn't. I just think it's horribly wrong to kill someone else's kid without their consent.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    A woman doesn't have to be responsible for her child, especially if the man wants to keep it and she doesn't.
    Exactly. She has a choice. (She actually has several.) He should, too, as long as his choice doesn't involve taking hers away.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I just think it's horribly wrong to kill someone else's kid without their consent.
    I think it's a mistake to keep calling it "his kid" when the only thing he contributed to it was his DNA.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Then the only way to remain intellectually consistent on that topic is to agree that men should never, under any circumstances, be financially liable for their children. If they don't get a say in the life of the child, they don't have to pay. Women shouldn't be able to just pick and choose whatever benefits them the most.

    It takes two to make a baby.
    We are intellectually and legally consistent - *ALL* men are financially liable for contributing to the support of their children. And so are women
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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