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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You are simplifying things way too much. Life is not black and white and neither should the law be. If it was then anyone killing another in self defense should automatically be charged and convicted with murder. Our troops on the front line should be charged and convicted of murder, Rights should be totally unregulated etc etc.
    Not the same at all - the law doesn't say if you're a woman in combat you can kill, but a man can't - the law doesn't say a woman can kill in self-defense, but a man can't. This is a law that gives rights based on gender - if the woman took the pill willingly, no problem.

    I'm not arguing he shouldn't be punished - as someone previously said, if I hit myself, no problem, if I hit you, assault.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Being charged with a crime is one thing.
    Being convicted is completely different.

    Until this guy is convicted of something, everything here is little more than farting in the wind.

    Assault? Yes.
    Murder? No.

    I'll be interested to see where this story goes.

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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    From your article



    Notice how even the girls lawyer is not arguing that the fetus had any rights. Instead, he is arguing that the girl was deprived of her right to choose whether or not to have a child.

    No matter how hard you try to twist the facts, the truth is that this case is supported by the pro-choice philosophy.
    Abortion robs a man of his rights to procreate, so what about that?
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not the same at all - the law doesn't say if you're a woman in combat you can kill, but a man can't - the law doesn't say a woman can kill in self-defense, but a man can't. This is a law that gives rights based on gender - if the woman took the pill willingly, no problem.

    I'm not arguing he shouldn't be punished - as someone previously said, if I hit myself, no problem, if I hit you, assault.
    This is where you are getting confused, the law isn't based on gender. If a man could bear a baby do you think that this law would not apply? The law is based on circumstances. If the woman wanted to abort and had the boyfriend give her that pill would this guy still be charged with murder? Nope he wouldn't. He might be charged with something else like practicing medicine without a license but not murder.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Abortion robs a man of his rights to procreate, so what about that?
    Does man have a right to procreate? Or to put it another way... If a man has a right to procreate then why can't a man force his seed upon a woman? Even when married a man does not have a right to tell his wife to stop taking contraceptives.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Fla. Man Accused of Killing Ex-Girlfriend's Fetus - ABC News

    Ex-girlfriend was six weeks, five days pregnant, by her ex-boyfriend. Ex-boyfriend didn't want to have a child, ex-girlfriend did.

    Ex-boyfriend tricked her into taking a pill that caused her to go into labor and lose the "baby".

    He is now charged with first-degree murder.

    Doesn't the crime of murder require a "person" to be killed? Doesn't abortion law tell us that a fetus that is six weeks, five days old is not a person?

    Shouldn't the pro-choice, pro-abortion crowd be outraged that this charge was laid and what is the impact going forward if he is convicted of first-degree murder?
    A couple points:

    According to Leftists this isn't murder... because it is a nonviable mass. 6-weeks? That's all? Hell... it's not even considered a fetus.

    This ought to confuse the pro-death contingency? What about the Man's right to choose? It's not just her body... it's his body in her body and his DNA too.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This is where you are getting confused, the law isn't based on gender. If a man could bear a baby do you think that this law would not apply? The law is based on circumstances. If the woman wanted to abort and had the boyfriend give her that pill would this guy still be charged with murder? Nope he wouldn't. He might be charged with something else like practicing medicine without a license but not murder.
    I'm not confused at all - I see hypocrisy when it's staring me in the face. Also, I don't twist myself into a pretzel trying to rationalize the irrational.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm not confused at all - I see hypocrisy when it's staring me in the face. Also, I don't twist myself into a pretzel trying to rationalize the irrational.
    No, you see what you want to see. Not what is actually there.
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No, you see what you want to see. Not what is actually there.
    Are you looking in a mirror at this moment?
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    re: Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Seems to me abortion was against several laws before pro-choice advocates challenged it in the courts. Simply citing the law doesn't answer the question about why, in the pro-choice mind, harming a fetus before it's viable is murder. It's convenient, but it's not consistent.
    I've both cited the law *and* explained why the pro-choice philosophy supports criminal penalties for someone who causes harm to the fetus (ie it takes the mothers choice away)

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