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Report: IRS denied tax-exempt status to pro-lifers on behalf of Planned Parenthood

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Deuce said:
What about denying all health care services to homosexuals? A man is bleeding out in my ER, can I just let it happen because he's gay? How about if he's Christian? Can I let him bleed out for being Christian? A woman? Black? A redhead? Albino redhead insurance salesman?

Since when does religion make you exempt from whatever law you feel like dodging?
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Can you possibly realize how idiotic that argument is? I think you do, but these kinds of rediculous, child-like arguments are really all the Libbos have.
 
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Amadeus said:
Should we allow them to deny health care to homosexuals, as well?
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How would administering aid to a homosexual person be going against their religious convictions?
 
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apdst said:
How would administering aid to a homosexual person be going against their religious convictions?
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It appears that some "Christians" believe that even allowing gays to live on this planet is abomination

1000s of (former Soviet) Georgians riot against gays (video)

It really saddens me to see people who lived under a dictatorship then act just as badly as the dictators they were finally freed from. It almost makes you wonder whether dictatorship wasn’t just imposed on them, but rather, whether in part it wasn’t self-imposed as well. The old saying about getting the government you deserve. What government do violent thugs deserve?

And sadly, expectedly, the Georgian Orthodox Church, part of the larger Eastern Orthodox faith that I belong to, was in part behind the violence. And you thought just Catholics, evangelicals and Mormons were hateful bigots. My orthodox brethren – mostly in the east, (in the US they’re surprisingly quiet about the hot-button social issues) – are just as viciously hateful and backwards.
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N.C. man says church confined him for being gay | McClatchy

Maryland Pastor Says Killing Gays Might Be Tempting But Is Wrong | Advocate.com

Pope gives blessing to Ugandan
 
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apdst said:
How would administering aid to a homosexual person be going against their religious convictions?
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Perhaps it wouldn't. But if we allow people of faith to start picking and choosing the type of health care they provide to non-religious employees, where does it stop? Like I said, if you want to impose your faith, stick to churches. This isn't a Libertarian society where the private sector and do whatever they want to their employees.
 
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Grim17 said:
If this is true, it looks like the IRS was in fact doing Obama and the democrats bidding.

Report: IRS denied tax-exempt status to pro-lifers on behalf of Planned Parenthood | WashingtonExaminer.com
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Actually, you should not be using that money for purely political purposes like protests. The government is not supposed to be subsidizing political action of any sort through tax breaks. this is exactly what the IRS should be stopping because organizations who do this should be formed under different rules and be subject to taxes.

this discrimination BS does not mean we should stop enforcing laws. If anything we should abandon all tax free status rather than giving a hideout for more political money in the system.
 
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if you're looking for reform, you're gonna have to start with a new president

When the Barack H. Obama Foundation sought tax-exempt status to raise money for good works in Kenya, the Internal Revenue Service provided quick help.

The IRS approved charitable status for the foundation, which was run by President Obama’s brother and named after his father, in about a month’s time. The IRS also agreed to give the group this important financial status retroactively, back to 2009, when it had begun its fundraising.
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IRS stalled conservative groups, but gave speedy approval to Obama foundation - The Washington Post

34 days! exemption retroactive 2 years!

you gotta have PULL, paulette

especially if you're "a sham charity," a "scofflaw," like the bho foundation

yes, any 501c reform is now doornail DEAD, thanks to people like steven miller and lois lerner, neal wolin, william wilkins and joseph grant

why can't barack obama state unequivocally that he did not know about the criminal behavior going on at his irs before april 22?

Obama has insisted that he only learned about the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups through media reports last Friday. But he wouldn’t say definitively that the White House was unaware of the targeting before then.
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Obama pushes back on IRS, AP, Benghazi - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

mr wolin, deputy treasury secretary, was told on june 4, 2012, testified tigta

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/18/us/politics/irs-scandal-congressional-hearings.html?hp&_r=3&

wolin, shulman and lerner are to swear under oath next wednesday before evil issa

the latter knew in 2011, says tigta

shulman was informed of the "details" in may, 2012, wolin in june

we're just beginning, be patient, the knuckle dragging neanderthals running these committees intend to go slow
 
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roger simon's professional leftists and journolisters have outstanding, ie, unanswered questions, impulse for further hearings, including upstairs in senator trainwreck baucus' finance committee

IRS scandal: What we still haven't learned/Politico

how did this special persecution of tea party app's get started and by whom?

who's next to go?

who was disciplined in cincy and how, and why do we have to ask?

did the irs leak confidential info?

what's this scandal do to 501c reform?

the kiddies work hard and generally do a good job, and they mature a little every day

let me add a chin stroker---what will be the impact of this illicit activity at the irs upon the implementation of obamacare?

IRS Official in Charge During Tea Party Targeting Now Runs Health Care Office - ABC News

stay tuned

party on, apologists
 
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Baucus: 'A lot More Coming Out' on IRS Scandal

IRS, FBI, BATF, OSHA, EPA, democrat party and ACORN, Just to name a FEW!

Don't just stay tuned, pop some corn, break out the adult beverages this is going to be a very LONG show.
 
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Amadeus said:
Perhaps it wouldn't. But if we allow people of faith to start picking and choosing the type of health care they provide to non-religious employees, where does it stop? Like I said, if you want to impose your faith, stick to churches. This isn't a Libertarian society where the private sector and do whatever they want to their employees.
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On the other side of the coin: if we violate peoples's 1st Amendment rights here; where does it stop?
 
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apdst said:
On the other side of the coin: if we violate peoples's 1st Amendment rights here; where does it stop?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

The Court said (at page 162): "Congress cannot pass a law for the government of the Territory which shall prohibit the free exercise of religion. The first amendment to the Constitution expressly forbids such legislation." Of federal territorial laws, the Court said: "Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious beliefs and opinions, they may with practices."
 
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Amadeus said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

The Court said (at page 162): "Congress cannot pass a law for the government of the Territory which shall prohibit the free exercise of religion. The first amendment to the Constitution expressly forbids such legislation." Of federal territorial laws, the Court said: "Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious beliefs and opinions, they may with practices."
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That's right and forcing someone into a practice that goes against someone's religious beliefs is s violation of the first amendment. Concientious objectors are protected by the first amendment.
 
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Oceandan said:
Baucus: 'A lot More Coming Out' on IRS Scandal

IRS, FBI, BATF, OSHA, EPA, democrat party and ACORN, Just to name a FEW!

Don't just stay tuned, pop some corn, break out the adult beverages this is going to be a very LONG show.
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apdst said:
That's right and forcing someone into a practice that goes against someone's religious beliefs is s violation of the first amendment. Concientious objectors are protected by the first amendment.
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The 1st Amendment doesn't respect or prohibit freedom of religion. Allowing Catholics to deny health care to non-Catholics on the basis of religion is preferential treatment.
 
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Amadeus said:
The 1st Amendment doesn't respect or prohibit freedom of religion. Allowing Catholics to deny health care to non-Catholics on the basis of religion is preferential treatment.
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They not denying healthcare to anyone. They're refusing to pay for birth control and abortions to anyone. They're not treating anyone any differently than anyone else. Don't propagandize the facts.
 
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Amadeus said:
The 1st Amendment doesn't respect or prohibit freedom of religion. Allowing Catholics to deny health care to non-Catholics on the basis of religion is preferential treatment.
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If health-care was a "right" you'd be correct. It's not.
 
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apdst said:
They not denying healthcare to anyone.
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They're refusing to provide insurance which pays for health care and medical procedures.

They're refusing to pay for birth control and abortions to anyone. They're not treating anyone any differently than anyone else. Don't propagandize the facts.
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So does every employer who has a problem with abortion/birth control get a free pass?
 
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apdst said:
They not denying healthcare to anyone. They're refusing to pay for birth control and abortions to anyone. They're not treating anyone any differently than anyone else. Don't propagandize the facts.
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Again I ask, why should religious objection allow you to dodge any law you feel like?

I have a deep religious objection to speed limits.
 
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head of joaquin said:
Is that why under Bush the IRS harrassed Greenpeace and the NAACP, and the GOP Congress prevented an investigation?

I say the Democratic Senate should open one up. That's how to play hardball with the baggers.
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If there was illegal activity under Bush it should have been investigated....However it's been 4 and a half years since Bush has been in office and saying "Bush did it too!!" is just a childish attempt to minimize the current administrations illegal activity.
 
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Deuce said:
Again I ask, why should religious objection allow you to dodge any law you feel like?

I have a deep religious objection to speed limits.
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This country was founded on the freedom of religion and has been a corner stone on which this country was built....To deny that now pretty much says the separation of church and state no longer applies and the government is free to impose it's will on what any religion can and cannot believe in.
 
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apdst said:
That's right and forcing someone into a practice that goes against someone's religious beliefs is s violation of the first amendment. Concientious objectors are protected by the first amendment.
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Apparently freedom of speech/religion is no longer tolerated by the Left.
 
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Strucky said:
Apparently freedom of speech/religion is no longer tolerated by the Left.
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The Libbos only tolerate free speech when it benefits their agenda. If it doesn't then you can expet a great big "**** you" from them. They only believe in THEIR civil rights and screw everyone else's.
 
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Deuce said:
Again I ask, why should religious objection allow you to dodge any law you feel like?

I have a deep religious objection to speed limits.
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It doesn't allow you to dodge anyaw you feel like. However, laws that force people to violate their religious convictions shouldn't be passed.

You can post all the rediculously stupid examples you want, but it doesn't change the facts.

It's a right to keep and bear arms. Should there be a law forcing you to buy a gun for your employees, when you are an anti-gunner? Of course not!
 
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Amadeus said:
They're refusing to provide insurance which pays for health care and medical procedures.
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No they're not. They're refusing to pay for birth control.



So does every employer who has a problem with abortion/birth control get a free pass?
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If they claim a religious status, sure. Why not? I mean, at least for the time being, it's still a free country.
 
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apdst said:
No they're not. They're refusing to pay for birth control.


So does every employer who has a problem with abortion/birth control get a free pass?
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If they claim a religious status, sure. Why not? I mean, at least for the time being, it's still a free country.
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You obviously haven't thought too deeply on this subject OR if you think you have, you apparently have only looked at the matter from a Christian viewpoint.

From your statements here about an employer's religious beliefs controlling health matters for their employees, one could reasonably assume that you would allow Muslim employers to cite shariah law when employees might ask for something that goes against shariah. What about a devout Hindu employer who would not allow employees to bring in a roast beef sandwich for their lunch? What about a Scientologist who would require his employees to undergo "clearance" as part of their health plan? amirite?
 
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Somerville said:
You obviously haven't thought too deeply on this subject OR if you think you have, you apparently have only looked at the matter from a Christian viewpoint.

From your statements here about an employer's religious beliefs controlling health matters for their employees, one could reasonably assume that you would allow Muslim employers to cite shariah law when employees might ask for something that goes against shariah. What about a devout Hindu employer who would not allow employees to bring in a roast beef sandwich for their lunch? What about a Scientologist who would require his employees to undergo "clearance" as part of their health plan? amirite?
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Give me an example of something that goes against shariah law and let's see.
 
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