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    Re: Report: IRS denied tax-exempt status to pro-lifers on behalf of Planned Parenthoo

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It doesn't take away from the fact that people still have the right to those beliefs and the government can't do a damn thing about it.

    What's the point of this comment?
    Connect the dots. And actually, the government can deny people certain benefits etc, on the basis of beliefs. There is tons of precedent for government fining, removing tax-exemption and other legal action due to religious beliefs that are considered to be dangerous. Just look at the FLDS.
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    Re: Report: IRS denied tax-exempt status to pro-lifers on behalf of Planned Parenthoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Connect the dots.
    No, be a man and tell me what you mean.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Report: IRS denied tax-exempt status to pro-lifers on behalf of Planned Parenthoo

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, be a man and tell me what you mean.
    Be a man? Lol - okay, I mean that you're a contrarian who uses "other people" to defend his own ridiculous beliefs. You know you'll be ridiculed for having them yourself, so you pretend it's "other people" who have them. In essence, you're an intellectual coward without the intestinal fortitude to defend his own beliefs in the first person and relying always on the 3rd.
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    Re: Report: IRS denied tax-exempt status to pro-lifers on behalf of Planned Parenthoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Be a man? Lol - okay, I mean that you're a contrarian who uses "other people" to defend his own ridiculous beliefs.
    What beliefs are you referring to?

    Are you saying that I'm pro-life, anti-birth control? If you are, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm pro-choice, although I wouldn't choose abortion. I'm all for birth control.

    I'm only defending the rights of my fellow citizens. One doesn't have to agree with a person's beliefs to defend their right to have those beliefs and that's where Libbos get it wrong time and again.
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    Re: Report: IRS denied tax-exempt status to pro-lifers on behalf of Planned Parenthoo

    So basically the libs think that denying Pro-life groups the status as pro-choice groups is okay. Maybe that's why you voted for Obama, cause you knew he was that kind of guy.
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    Re: Report: IRS denied tax-exempt status to pro-lifers on behalf of Planned Parenthoo

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What beliefs are you referring to?

    Are you saying that I'm pro-life, anti-birth control? If you are, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm pro-choice, although I wouldn't choose abortion. I'm all for birth control.
    4 pages of you defending pro-lifers says different.

    I'm only defending the rights of my fellow citizens. One doesn't have to agree with a person's beliefs to defend their right to have those beliefs and that's where Libbos get it wrong time and again.
    What rights? You don't have the right to pick and choose what religious beliefs to force unto your employees anymore than you have a right to tell them what to eat.
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    Re: Report: IRS denied tax-exempt status to pro-lifers on behalf of Planned Parenthoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    4 pages of you defending pro-lifers says different.
    I'm simply defending their right to be pro-lifers.



    What rights? You don't have the right to pick and choose what religious beliefs to force unto your employees anymore than you have a right to tell them what to eat.
    A Muslim, who owns a business has the right to ban pork from being served in the company cafeteria, or ban pork skins from being sold in the vending machines. Yes?
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    Re: Report: IRS denied tax-exempt status to pro-lifers on behalf of Planned Parenthoo

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So basically the libs think that denying Pro-life groups the status as pro-choice groups is okay. Maybe that's why you voted for Obama, cause you knew he was that kind of guy.
    Libbos only believe in people being able to enjoy those civil rights that they agree with and crap on all our other rights. Liberalism has tyranny written all over it.
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    Re: Report: IRS denied tax-exempt status to pro-lifers on behalf of Planned Parenthoo

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Exactly. So I should be exempt from speed limits. Who are you to tell me what I can't believe in?
    You are obviously nothing more than a troll,nothing good will come by speaking to you about basic freedoms.
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    Re: Report: IRS denied tax-exempt status to pro-lifers on behalf of Planned Parenthoo

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm simply defending their right to be pro-lifers.
    You don't have a right to be anti-choice AND force it upon your employees. The free exercise of religion is restricted to the individual.

    A Muslim, who owns a business has the right to ban pork from being served in the company cafeteria, or ban pork skins from being sold in the vending machines. Yes?
    I don't know of any recognized religion, ideology or creed where it's compulsory to eat any animal. On the other hand, some women must take birth control for medical reasons such as regulating periods, avoid pregnancies (the ones in steady relationships), reduce cramps etc. So the examples aren't remotely the same.

    If the employer was telling employees he won't provide X while providing viable alternatives, then yes he would be allowed as it wouldn't cause undue hardship of any kind. In the same way, a Muslim employer can't force his employees to fast or eat a certain times. But that's not applicable as the anti-choice side isn't providing any real viable alternatives are they?

    And even if they did, what other religious beliefs should we expect the pro-lifers to enforce on employees with impunity? Slavery? Dietary restrictions? When to have sex?

    I asked you twice to tell us where to draw the line on the free exercise of religion and simple workplace tyranny. Which religious beliefs are to be picked and chosen for the rest of us to follow? If I work at a Muslim place, I should be forced to fast even though it has no relevance to my job? If I work at a Hindu owned place, I can't eat beef because they hold it sacred? Where do we draw the lines on individuals exercising their freedom of religion and forcing others to exercise their religion?
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