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    Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Either this is a additional detail to this case or we finally found the person who turned down offers of additional security.

    Ambassador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security, U.S. officials say | McClatchy

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    This doesn't tell us much. Stevens very well could have wanted the added security, but was compelled to decline because it wasn't his call to make (i.e. he was not expressing his opinion on the need for security, but conveying a response from the State Department).

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    This doesn't tell us much. Stevens very well could have wanted the added security, but was compelled to decline because it wasn't his call to make (i.e. he was not expressing his opinion on the need for security, but conveying a response from the State Department).
    It tells us a lot. The security concerns expressed by Ambassador Stevens were very clearly in reference to external security, ie the obligation of the Libyan government as required by international law. It was being discussed with local and national Libyan leaders by Ambassador Stevens himself as these letters attest. It has been made clear that he did not want any additional American security forces and that it was Ambassador Stevens who declined the presence of additional American security forces in Benghazi. The pieces are finally falling into place and the sad truth is that it appears Stevens had a hand in his own demise.

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    It tells us a lot. The security concerns expressed by Ambassador Stevens were very clearly in reference to external security, ie the obligation of the Libyan government as required by international law. It was being discussed with local and national Libyan leaders by Ambassador Stevens himself as these letters attest. It has been made clear that he did not want any additional American security forces and that it was Ambassador Stevens who declined the presence of additional American security forces in Benghazi. The pieces are finally falling into place and the sad truth is that it appears Stevens had a hand in his own demise.
    All of what you say could very well be true. However, if it is, it begs the question why the administration hasn't made this point in the previous eight months as well as in the congressional hearings and in White House press conferences. Why has the State Department and Hillary Clinton and others suggested that it was a Republican congress that cut State Department security funding that was the cause for lax security in Libya in general and Benghazi in particular.

    Additionally, it does not excuse the continued need to mislead the public about the known details of what happened that night.
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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    All of what you say could very well be true. However, if it is, it begs the question why the administration hasn't made this point in the previous eight months as well as in the congressional hearings and in White House press conferences.
    Some lawmakers supposedly already knew about this and one usually doesn't honor an Ambassador by pointing out his failures in judgement.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Why has the State Department and Hillary Clinton and others suggested that it was a Republican congress that cut State Department security funding that was the cause for lax security in Libya in general and Benghazi in particular.
    I don't remember them ever saying that.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Additionally, it does not excuse the continued need to mislead the public about the known details of what happened that night.
    I don't really think that the general public has a right to know the details.

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Either this is a additional detail to this case or we finally found the person who turned down offers of additional security.

    Ambassador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security, U.S. officials say | McClatchy
    Today on Hardball Jonathan Landay from Mcclatchy newspapers said they would have needed to get approval approval from the Libyan government and thought that was why he turned it down.

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Either this is a additional detail to this case or we finally found the person who turned down offers of additional security.

    Ambassador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security, U.S. officials say | McClatchy
    Thanks for posting this information. I had not heard any of this before.

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Today on Hardball Jonathan Landay from Mcclatchy newspapers said they would have needed to get approval approval from the Libyan government and thought that was why he turned it down.
    This in a way confirms what I have already said. The State Department does not like having a bunch of military around to provide security. It detracts from their stated mission of diplomacy. With the popularity of Stevens with the Libyan government, I don't think he would have had a problem getting their approval. If you ever worked in an Embassy or for State, diplomats can be the most hard headed individuals. They will take huge risks to accomplish what is their mission. Some would call this dedication, other foolhardiness. I have stated before it would have taken a direct order from either Secretary Clinton or President Obama for Stevens to accept the addition U.S. military security.

    Also much like the military chain of command where high ranking commanders will usually defer to the commander on the ground as is there and knows what is going on, has a feel for the situation that those above do not. I assume this is much the same.
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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Either this is a additional detail to this case or we finally found the person who turned down offers of additional security.

    Ambassador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security, U.S. officials say | McClatchy
    I didn't know that Stevens had the authority to give orders for the military to stand down. Last I heard, only the president had that authority.
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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by napoleon View Post
    some lawmakers supposedly already knew about this and one usually doesn't honor an ambassador by pointing out his failures in judgement.



    I don't remember them ever saying that.



    I don't really think that the general public has a right to know the details.
    wow.....
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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