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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How do you know there was little chance of success?
    because they were dead within minutes of the attack
    emphasis on "minutes"
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Either this is a additional detail to this case or we finally found the person who turned down offers of additional security.

    Ambassador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security, U.S. officials say | McClatchy
    Case closed.

    Looks like Issa's circus is closing down -- just like his Wide Receiver - er - Fast and Furious circus. Circus Teaparticus.

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    acting honorably
    Funny you would use those words when the point for many of us is that there is no honor in leaving your countrymen to die without any attempt to save them.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    From the OP article.....


    "...Steven's memos to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which is investigating attacks, show he personally pressed for strengthened security.

    On July 9, 2012, Stevens sent a "request for extension of tour of duty (TDY) personnel." That refers to a 16-man military temporary security team with expertise in counter terrorism. They were set to leave in August, but Stevens asked to keep them "thru mid-September." .....
    Before death, Amb. Stevens warned of "violent" Libya landscape - CBS News


    It appears that Stevens was requesting for "strengthened security" for Benghazi in a memo to the congressional oversight committee..not the State Department or the WH or the military. It is the congressional oversight committee's response to Stevens request that seems to be missing in all of this.

    Stevens was requesting for an extension of TDY personnel....which is 16 man military security team with expertise in counter terrorism. I've heard mention that the CIA's mission in Benghazi was to clear the area around the Annex of violent extremists, weapons and hostile militants. With the continued unpredicatable violence, how could do they do that if they didn't have the personnel with counter terrorism expertise? As we all know the CIA is supposed to operate in secrecy so I would argue that Stevens was making the request on behalf of the CIA to the congressional oversight committee. So where is their response to Stevens?

    I think if we dig deep enough we are going to find that the CIA is at the bottom of all of this and they are the ones who screwed up are trying to deflect the blame and pass the buck. I think we might also find that the congressional oversight committee shares in the blame....remember Jason Chaffetz bragging about underfunding the state department security?


    One more thing....Stevens was requesting more body guard security for the Tripoli embassy...not Benghazi. The media is doing a lousy job of making that distinction.....when they just say Libya they are mostly referring to Tripoli. The US embassy consoluate was located in Tripoli. The CIA annex and safehouse was located in Benghazi. Stevens was providing diplomatic cover for the CIA in Benghazi and that is why the state department was largely unaware of his activities at the "Special Mission Compound."


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    ...Stevens sent the cable to request an additional 11 bodyguards at the U.S. Embassy in the Libyan capital of Tripoli. In a July 9 cable, he noted that conditions in the country hadn't met "benchmarks" to reduce American security personnel.

    "Host nation security support is lacking and cannot be depended on to provide a safe and secure environment for the diplomatic mission of outreach," Stevens wrote in the Aug. 2 cable....read"
    Stevens was referring to the Tripoli embassy....not the Benghazi compound. The day of the attack in Benghazi...Hicks ordered the Tripoli security to go to Benghazi to help Stevens....which then left the Tripoli embassay without enough security and vulnerable to attack.

    If the witnesses testifying before congress aren't telling the whole truth.....it's because congress isn't asking the right questions.
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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so now we learn it is YOU who wants to appease religious crackpots ... probably including resident Christian crackpots
    go figure
    I know it's probably a bad idea to ask but what could i have possibly said that would cause you to believe that I would want to appease religious crackpots?

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    because they were dead within minutes of the attack
    emphasis on "minutes"
    Do you have a link to support this claim?

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You want historical evidence of countries ignoring the sovereignty of other countries? Do you not have access to a history book?
    Comprehension....or short term memory.....or AAD...or?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Not when it comes to embassies. Beyond Iran in 79, I'm not aware of external US military forces being sent in to host states to engage in an embassy rescue without the host states permission in modern times, and as far as it happening in the US, I know it hasn't happened in modern times, but I'll be interested to see what you have.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Comprehension....or short term memory.....or AAD...or?
    Or use the original quote you may be referring to.

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Or use the original quote you may be referring to.
    Oh...OK...I'll remember from now on that you cannot keep track of a conversation and the burden is upon me to remind you what the context of our conversation is....just like this...


    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Both premises are accurate and there is much historical evidence to document them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Not when it comes to embassies. Beyond Iran in 79, I'm not aware of external US military forces being sent in to host states to engage in an embassy rescue without the host states permission in modern times, and as far as it happening in the US, I know it hasn't happened in modern times, but I'll be interested to see what you have.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Libyans were responsible for protecting the American Embassy and they were obviously not up to the task. At that point American forces should have stepped in. It was the Libyans who provided American leadership with the Intel, despite the lying liars saying it was the result of a youtube video.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    See now, I expected you to provide historical precedence to back up your claims of "historical evidence"....but you haven't, instead you give a weak excuse and off topic tangents.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You want historical evidence of countries ignoring the sovereignty of other countries? Do you not have access to a history book?

    This is just sad.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And several months after his death it was discovered that he and his staff didn't need help after all. And this was in one of the cables Hillary Clinton actually read, so the Sec. of State and the and President followed his instructions.

    That sounds logical.
    Heya Grant. Not really. He requested that the 16 man team be kept thru there in Sept. Plus Lt Col Wood testified Stevens was fighting to keep a team around.

    On July 9, 2012, Stevens sent a "request for extension of tour of duty (TDY) personnel." That refers to a 16-man military temporary security team with expertise in counter terrorism. They were set to leave in August, but Stevens asked to keep them "thru mid-September."

    On August 2, six weeks before he died, Stevens requested "protective detail bodyguard postions," saying the added guards "will fill the vacuum of security personnel currently at post who will be leaving with the next month and will not be replaced." He called "the security condition in Libya ... unpredictable, volatile and violent." It's not known what happened to that request.

    Piecing together White House response to Benghazi

    On August 8, as the special security teams left Libya, another cable from Stevens says "a series of violent incidents has dominated the political landscape" and calls them "targeted and discriminate attacks."

    Colonel Andrew Wood led the U.S. military team that left Libya in August. He testified before Congress last week.

    He told CBS News that Stevens fought losing another security team.....snip~

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