Page 7 of 28 FirstFirst ... 5678917 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 70 of 273

Thread: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

  1. #61
    long standing member
    justabubba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,143

    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Firstly, it would never happen here, but if it did Canadian forces wouldn't sit by while our strongest ally was being attacked on our soil. That said, I feel very confident that Canada would not stand in the way of any effort by Americans to rescue their countrymen.

    Secondly, it's a little disengenuous of you to say the Israelis "get away with a lot of illegal activity" when America conducts it's fair share of illegal activity all over the world based on their position as the world's only superpower.

    Finally, my argument is based on a belief that all people who are serving their country deserve to expect their country will come to their rescue if they find themselves in harms way and even if they are unsuccessful, they will consider their lives of sufficient worth to at least try.
    here is why i cannot subscribe to your proposal
    Operation Eagle Claw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

  2. #62
    Canadian Conservative
    CanadaJohn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    27,189

    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    here is why i cannot subscribe to your proposal
    Operation Eagle Claw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Not even remotely analogous, but I understand the concern about potential for loss of life in attempting to save other lives.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

  3. #63
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    give us some examples where the US' sovereignity has been violated without consequence
    Here is what was said
    You are starting with a premise that we do not have to observe other sovereign states, and by implication, that other countries do not have to observe ours.
    This is how I responded.
    Both premises are accurate and there is much historical evidence to document them.
    Now you've added "without consequence" which changes the discussion entirely. Rather dishonest, non?

  4. #64
    long standing member
    justabubba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,143

    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Here is what was said

    This is how I responded.

    Now you've added "without consequence" which changes the discussion entirely. Rather dishonest, non?
    so you've got nothing
    quelle surprise
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

  5. #65
    Sage
    Gimmesometruth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    US Southwest
    Last Seen
    09-13-17 @ 10:22 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    22,405

    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Firstly, it would never happen here, but if it did Canadian forces wouldn't sit by while our strongest ally was being attacked on our soil. That said, I feel very confident that Canada would not stand in the way of any effort by Americans to rescue their countrymen.
    Oh, I think Canada would have a LOT to say if US forces entered Canada without permission from the govt, and I would wager many would object even with the permission.

    Secondly, it's a littel disengenuous of you to say the Israelis "get away with a lot of illegal activity" when America conducts it's fair share of illegal activity all over the world based on their position as the world's only superpower.
    Uh, no...you see you just can't remember what I already said, I do NOT approve of US actions counter to international treaties.

    READ, GD it!

    Finally, my argument is based on a belief that all people who are serving their country deserve to expect their country will come to their rescue if they find themselves in harms way and even if they are unsuccessful, they will consider their lives of sufficient worth to at least try.
    I don't think Stevens had any illusions about the dangers he faced or had expectations of the US being able to swoop in Superman style and save him. He had daily jogs through the countryside, he wanted exposure to political elements in Libya. This compound was being turned over to the Libyans, he was only there to hand it over to their govt and was only going to be there for 5 days. There was no sizable force that could have made any difference since this was a hit and run attack. Your generalized premise just has little application in this example.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

  6. #66
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so you've got nothing
    quelle surprise
    Interesting! So you feel that no country's sovereignty has ever been violated.

    I rather expected that.

  7. #67
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    hell of an example
    the israelis refuse to recognize any state's sovereignity when they choose to conduct a military operation
    that is an pattern we don't need to follow, otherwise we will earn - and deserve - the same international condemnation which is presently reserved for israel and its unilateral, abhorrent actions
    Does anyone really care about this "international condemnation"? Did the American people receive international congratulations for not defending or rescuing their own people?

  8. #68
    long standing member
    justabubba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,143

    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Does anyone really care about this "international condemnation"? Did the American people receive international congratulations for not defending or rescuing their own people?
    that our government does not give a **** about what others think of us is what led to incidents such as osama bin ladens fatwas and the 9/11 tragedy
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

  9. #69
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Not when it comes to embassies. Beyond Iran in 79, I'm not aware of external US military forces being sent in to host states to engage in an embassy rescue without the host states permission in modern times, and as far as it happening in the US, I know it hasn't happened in modern times, but I'll be interested to see what you have.
    The Libyans were responsible for protecting the American Embassy and they were obviously not up to the task. At that point American forces should have stepped in. It was the Libyans who provided American leadership with the Intel, despite the lying liars saying it was the result of a youtube video.

  10. #70
    long standing member
    justabubba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,143

    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Interesting! So you feel that no country's sovereignty has ever been violated.

    I rather expected that.
    as usual you misunderstood
    never did i assert that "no country's sovereignty has ever been violated"
    there are places which can help with reading for comprehension
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

Page 7 of 28 FirstFirst ... 5678917 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •