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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Maybe if this was a Canadian Ambassador relying on the Canadian military for assistance, this might be credible because we do not have resources throughout the world but to suggest that the US military is incapable of any military action in North Africa within 8 hours of being informed. I'm not suggesting that such action would have been successful but to suggest the US couldn't even try is a sad commentary and perhaps an indictment of a country that spends around $700 billion a year on defense.
    It's the "couldn't even try" that's heartbreaking.

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    you cannot deploy forces into foreign countries without permission from their government, and there is no way the libyan leader would have allowed american military to play shoot em up with locals. Like always you distort the reality of the situation.
    So, in your view, if President Obama was in Egypt, for example, and he and his party came under attack you would advise waiting for the Egyptian government to give you the okay before a rescue mission was launched within Egypt? Hope you've got your "pretty please" speech all prepared.

    Besides, it's also true that the host country has responsibility to protect foreign diplomats within their borders - if they can't, or refuse to, that's too bad.

    Finally, I hope you'll be on the phone to Obama and the CIA to remind them that they can't send drones into Pakistan any more because Pakistan didn't give you the okay yet.
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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Refusing assistance is not a stand down order. please stop lying.
    Again, Stevens doesn't have the authority to give those orders.

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    you cannot deploy forces into foreign countries without permission from their government, and there is no way the libyan leader would have allowed american military to play shoot em up with locals. Like always you distort the reality of the situation.
    And you know this how?
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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    And you know this how?
    we are not israel
    we do not (normally) conduct military operation in countries with which we are not at war
    at least not without their permission

    (pakistan and our pursuit of osama bin laden is a notable exception)
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So, in your view, if President Obama was in Egypt, for example, and he and his party came under attack you would advise waiting for the Egyptian government to give you the okay before a rescue mission was launched within Egypt? Hope you've got your "pretty please" speech all prepared.

    Besides, it's also true that the host country has responsibility to protect foreign diplomats within their borders - if they can't, or refuse to, that's too bad.

    Finally, I hope you'll be on the phone to Obama and the CIA to remind them that they can't send drones into Pakistan any more because Pakistan didn't give you the okay yet.
    Good morning, CJ.

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Thanks for posting this information. I had not heard any of this before.
    They probably just thought it up.

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    we are not israel
    Nor are we Brazil.
    we do not (normally) conduct military operation in countries with which we are not at war
    Define "normally".

    at least not without their permission
    We ask permission to bomb the citizens of other countries?

    (pakistan and our pursuit of osama bin laden is a notable exception)
    As well as the drones being used.

    If there are exceptions there are no rules.

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya CJ....that's what I said since they have a taped excerpt of Stevens Requesting Security on Sept. 1 2012. Then I found this.

    Before death, Amb. Stevens warned of "violent" Libya landscape.....

    In the weeks before his death, U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens sent the State Department several requests for increased security for diplomats in Libya.

    Steven's memos to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which is investigating attacks, show he personally pressed for strengthened security.

    Ambassador warned Libya was "volatile and violent"
    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton takes "responsibility" for Benghazi attack

    On July 9, 2012, Stevens sent a "request for extension of tour of duty (TDY) personnel." That refers to a 16-man military temporary security team with expertise in counter terrorism. They were set to leave in August, but Stevens asked to keep them "thru mid-September."

    On August 2, six weeks before he died, Stevens requested "protective detail bodyguard postions," saying the added guards "will fill the vacuum of security personnel currently at post who will be leaving with the next month and will not be replaced." He called "the security condition in Libya ... unpredictable, volatile and violent." It's not known what happened to that request.

    Piecing together White House response to Benghazi

    On August 8, as the special security teams left Libya, another cable from Stevens says "a series of violent incidents has dominated the political landscape" and calls them "targeted and discriminate attacks."

    Colonel Andrew Wood led the U.S. military team that left Libya in August. He testified before Congress last week.

    He told CBS News that Stevens fought losing another security team.....snip~

    Watch: Ex-security team leader says Amb. Stevens was concerned over threats
    Security dwindled before deadly Libyan consulate attack
    CIA saw possible terror ties day after Libya hit: AP

    Before death, Amb. Stevens warned of "violent" Libya landscape - CBS News

    I would note all the other links.....CBS News has up as well about it as well.
    And several months after his death it was discovered that he and his staff didn't need help after all. And this was in one of the cables Hillary Clinton actually read, so the Sec. of State and the and President followed his instructions.

    That sounds logical.

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Nor are we Brazil.


    Define "normally".



    We ask permission to bomb the citizens of other countries?



    As well as the drones being used.

    If there are exceptions there are no rules.
    then you would want us to believe that since we went into pakistan after osama bin laden without pakistani government approval that we should also be able to conduct military operations in canada without that government's approval
    notice how absurd your conclusion is
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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