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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Funny you would use those words when the point for many of us is that there is no honor in leaving your countrymen to die without any attempt to save them.
    but there is dishonor in sending other service members to their death on a mission which has no chance of success
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

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    but there is dishonor in sending other service members to their death on a mission which has no chance of success
    Not at all - there are many examples of honorable men and women attempting what some considered hopeless causes in the name of saving someone else. You must think a person dies dishonorably if they happen to drown trying to save someone who's drowning, or a fireman who risks his life entering a burning building to save someone knowing full well that he may not make it back out because it's impossible to know what might happen. From accounts, it appears there were men and women willing to make the attempt, knowing what they knew. I consider them honorable people.
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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not at all - there are many examples of honorable men and women attempting what some considered hopeless causes in the name of saving someone else. You must think a person dies dishonorably if they happen to drown trying to save someone who's drowning, or a fireman who risks his life entering a burning building to save someone knowing full well that he may not make it back out because it's impossible to know what might happen. From accounts, it appears there were men and women willing to make the attempt,
    knowing what they knew. I consider them honorable people.
    the difference is in your examples there was a prospect, possibly even a reasonable one, of success
    in benghazi, we would have put our troops at risk for no valid reason ... just to say we did is NOT a valid reason
    i am guessing you have never led men into combat
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but there is dishonor in sending other service members to their death on a mission which has no chance of success
    That statement presumes omniscient knowledge of the future. Silly.
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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That statement presumes omniscient knowledge of the future. Silly.
    only an honest assessment of the situation
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Oh...OK...I'll remember from now on that you cannot keep track of a conversation and the burden is upon me to remind you what the context of our conversation is....just like this...
    OK, an example of a country ignoring the sovereignty of another country was Germany invading Russia in WWII.

    Happy now?

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Grant. Not really. He requested that the 16 man team be kept thru there in Sept. Plus Lt Col Wood testified Stevens was fighting to keep a team around.

    On July 9, 2012, Stevens sent a "request for extension of tour of duty (TDY) personnel." That refers to a 16-man military temporary security team with expertise in counter terrorism. They were set to leave in August, but Stevens asked to keep them "thru mid-September."

    On August 2, six weeks before he died, Stevens requested "protective detail bodyguard postions," saying the added guards "will fill the vacuum of security personnel currently at post who will be leaving with the next month and will not be replaced." He called "the security condition in Libya ... unpredictable, volatile and violent." It's not known what happened to that request.

    Piecing together White House response to Benghazi

    On August 8, as the special security teams left Libya, another cable from Stevens says "a series of violent incidents has dominated the political landscape" and calls them "targeted and discriminate attacks."

    Colonel Andrew Wood led the U.S. military team that left Libya in August. He testified before Congress last week.

    He told CBS News that Stevens fought losing another security team.....snip~
    Hi MMC,

    I was being sarcastic but sometimes, with all the strangeness going on, it's difficult to tell when someone is serious..

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    only an honest assessment of the situation
    No. It presumes facts not in evidence.
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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but there is dishonor in sending other service members to their death on a mission which has no chance of success
    Actually one of those who were ready to leave said they had every chance of success. Who told you it had no chance of success?

    Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks - CBS News

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    Re: Mcclatchy: amabasador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    only an honest assessment of the situation
    Where did you get the information for this "honest assessment"?

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