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    Re: Suspect: Boston bombing was payback for hits on Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Perhaps you can explain your reasoning. That idiot couldn't even properly use the term "collateral damage". It is a term used to indicate killing of non-targeted people when striking a target. Clearly the people at the Marathon were the target, not collateral damage of striking another target.
    Americans approved of the wholesale slaughter of Muslims after 9/11. The "targeting" logic doesn't hold up when we take a closer look.

    Imagine a high ranking general were in the twin towers on 9/11. Now imagine Osama Bin Laden states that this person was his target, and that the other victims were "collateral damage." 9/11 now becomes justified and is no longer terrorism, under this absurd logic.

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    Re: Suspect: Boston bombing was payback for hits on Muslims

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    What a story. What an outlandish story. What a grotesque propaganda ploy.

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    Re: Suspect: Boston bombing was payback for hits on Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by aseidner View Post
    Bomber assholes. What the hell were they thinking? Killing American because American were killing Muslims? Why couldn't they kill American "because they hate our freedoms and our way of life" like all the other terrorists?










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    Re: Suspect: Boston bombing was payback for hits on Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Bomber assholes. What the hell were they thinking? Killing American because American were killing Muslims? Why couldn't they kill American "because they hate our freedoms and our way of life" like all the other terrorists?
    Actually, why couldn't they just not indiscriminately kill American civilians. I know that may seem crazy.

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    Re: Suspect: Boston bombing was payback for hits on Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    Americans approved of the wholesale slaughter of Muslims after 9/11. The "targeting" logic doesn't hold up when we take a closer look.

    Imagine a high ranking general were in the twin towers on 9/11. Now imagine Osama Bin Laden states that this person was his target, and that the other victims were "collateral damage." 9/11 now becomes justified and is no longer terrorism, under this absurd logic.
    Ok, your opinion is the US engaged in "wholesale slaughter of Muslims after 9/11", have any proof of that?

    False argument. First, if it were unlawful combatants doing the targeting, then the act is also unlawful. You cannot have legitimate "collateral damage" when done by unlawful combatants and further, you must also have a legitimate target. You might also consider that a member of a terrorist group in a compound surrounded by his supporters does not make those supporters/guards "collateral damage" as many of them are legitimate targets also, just not high priority ones. I cannot think of the actual term used for them, but "collateral damage" is the accidental killing of innocents while striking a legitimate target using legally defined combatants.

    Has the US leadership played "fast and loose" with the rules sometimes, yes imo.

    Have they violated the rules of war, no.

    Have they taken legal actions against people who did violate the rules of war, yes, however, I do think they sacrificed the lowest believable lamb instead of always the real person behind some of the atrocities.

    I do think there are some cases where the actions of commanders really do need to be investigated. But comparing the actual targeting of innocents to collateral damage is ridiculous. Also, at least for the US Military, your 9/11 dream scenario would also still of ended up as illegal, even if legitimate forces were used. There are, believe it or not, rules about such things and potentially killing thousands of innocents to kill a single target would be still get the person who ordered it prosecuted.
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    Re: Suspect: Boston bombing was payback for hits on Muslims

    Tautology. "Unlawful combatant" is only defined by those in power. We're talking about logic here, not legalist nonsense. It doesn't make sense to state the law when that is the very issue in question.

    A: "Drugs should be legalized."
    B: "But drugs are illegal."

    I'm talking about the logic of killing innocent people. Iraq Body Count High estimates are about a million, conservative, even military estimates, are in the tens of thousands. Iraq Body Count is pretty accurate, it's in the middle.

    Our war on terror is indeed the wholesale slaughter of thousands of innocent Muslims in the name of revenge.

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    Suspect: Boston bombing was payback for hits on Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, but just labeling someone a jerk and ending the discussion at that is a failure on our part to even bother attempting to address why these things happen. And if we never bother to understand why, how are we ever going to stop this kind of behavior before it happens?

    "Welp, guys just a crazy murderer" isn't going to save Americans in the future.
    I think he started the discussion with the statement, "what a jerk."

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    Re: Suspect: Boston bombing was payback for hits on Muslims

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    Tautology. "Unlawful combatant" is only defined by those in power. We're talking about logic here, not legalist nonsense. It doesn't make sense to state the law when that is the very issue in question.

    A: "Drugs should be legalized."
    B: "But drugs are illegal."

    I'm talking about the logic of killing innocent people. Iraq Body Count High estimates are about a million, conservative, even military estimates, are in the tens of thousands. Iraq Body Count is pretty accurate, it's in the middle.

    Our war on terror is indeed the wholesale slaughter of thousands of innocent Muslims in the name of revenge.
    Revenge is only the purported reason. In reality, there are other agendas being advanced, behind the scenes.

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