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    White House releases Benghazi e-mails

    White House releases Benghazi e-mails - CNN.com

    Washington (CNN) -- The White House released more than 100 pages of e-mails on Wednesday in a bid to quell critics who say President Barack Obama and his aides played politics with national security following the deadly terror attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya.

    The e-mails detail the complex back and forth between the CIA, State Department, and the White House in developing unclassified talking points that were used to underpin a controversial and slow-to-evolve explanation of events last September 11.
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    1. Did they release only he emails that support their narrative?
    2. Why didnt we get this information 6 months ago when congress was asking for it?

    Does it really change anything? We know that at the very least the govt got the intelligence wrong, and pushed a narrative that was wrong long after they had been told they were wrong. And that an american was thrown in jail on a parol violation of using a computer, where he still remains because of the narrative the govt was pushing. No one will be held accountable, so in a way I agree with Hillary, what difference does this make?

    This is still just a sideshow to the real issue, why the govt failed to protect the consulate, and why it failed to react to the attack once it was under way.

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    Re: White House releases Benghazi e-mails

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
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    1. Did they release only he emails that support their narrative?
    2. Why didnt we get this information 6 months ago when congress was asking for it?

    Does it really change anything? We know that at the very least the govt got the intelligence wrong, and pushed a narrative that was wrong long after they had been told they were wrong. And that an american was thrown in jail on a parol violation of using a computer, where he still remains because of the narrative the govt was pushing. No one will be held accountable, so in a way I agree with Hillary, what difference does this make?

    This is still just a sideshow to the real issue, why the govt failed to protect the consulate, and why it failed to react to the attack once it was under way.
    Hillary's name was blacked out of all of them.

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    Re: White House releases Benghazi e-mails

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
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    1. Did they release only he emails that support their narrative?
    No, apparently the emails refute their narrative. Changes to the talking points were not the result of CIA rewrites, but State Department meddling and manipulation.

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    Re: White House releases Benghazi e-mails

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No, apparently the emails refute their narrative. Changes to the talking points were not the result of CIA rewrites, but State Department meddling and manipulation.
    yep, makes Carney and Hillary's statements that it was the CIA that rewrote the memos flat out wrong.

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    the white house released 100 pages out of several thousand

    and even these select emails show hillary's state dept in it up to its adams apple

    State Department officials repeatedly objected to -- and tried to water down -- references to Islamic extremist groups and prior security warnings in the administration's initial internal story-line on the Benghazi attack, according to dozens of emails and notes released by the White House late Wednesday.

    The documents also showed the White House, along with several other departments, played a role in editing the so-called "talking points," despite claims from the White House that it was barely involved. And they showed then-CIA Director David Petraeus objected to the watered-down version that would ultimately be used as the basis for U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice's flawed comments on several TV shows the Sunday after the attack.

    "Frankly, I'd just as soon not use this," Petraeus told his deputy in a Sept. 15 email.

    The 100-page file showed that State Department officials were even more heavily involved in editing the "talking points" than was previously known.

    One email sent the Friday night after the attack from an unknown official said: "The State Department had major reservations with much or most of the document."

    Individual emails leading up to that assessment show State officials repeatedly objecting to the intelligence community's early version of events.

    State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland complained that she had "serious concerns" about "arming members of Congress" to make assertions the administration was not making. "In same vein, why do we want Hill to be fingering Ansar al Sharia, when we aren't doing that ourselves until we have investigation results ... and the penultimate point could be abused by Members to beat the State Department for not paying attention to Agency warnings so why do we want to feed that either? Concerned ..."

    She also wrote that the line saying the administration knows there were extremists among the demonstrators "will come back to us at podium," voicing concern that some would question how the administration knows that.

    In response to her concerns, Assistant Secretary of State David S. Adams voiced agreement. He said the line about prior incidents "will read to members like we had been repeatedly warned."

    The emails show Petraeus' deputy Mike Morell involved in circulating revised points. In one email, he too noted the State Department had "deep concerns" about referencing prior "warnings."

    Shortly afterward, Vietor thanked colleagues for revisions and said they would be vetted "here," as in the White House. He then forwarded "edits" from John Brennan, the current CIA chief who then was a White House counterterrorism adviser.
    Benghazi emails show State Department had heavy hand in watering down account of attack | Fox News

    moreover, the video which susan rice and jay carney and barack obama at the un made the centerpiece of their public explanation merits not a word of mention until page 94

    Benghazi Emails Directly Contradict White House Claims | The Weekly Standard

    cia official: “the state department had major reservations with much or most of the document, we revised the document with their concerns in mind”

    ms nuland, hillary's spokesperson: "after conversation with [name redacted] serious concerns"

    "john brennan will have edits"

    "talked to tommy, we can make edits"

    ms nuland openly refers to "offline conversations"

    this morning on msnbc: Chuck Todd: "Attention White House, Release All The E-Mails" | RealClearPolitics

    stay tuned

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    Re: White House releases Benghazi e-mails

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
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    1. Did they release only he emails that support their narrative?
    2. Why didnt we get this information 6 months ago when congress was asking for it?

    Does it really change anything? We know that at the very least the govt got the intelligence wrong, and pushed a narrative that was wrong long after they had been told they were wrong. And that an american was thrown in jail on a parol violation of using a computer, where he still remains because of the narrative the govt was pushing. No one will be held accountable, so in a way I agree with Hillary, what difference does this make?

    This is still just a sideshow to the real issue, why the govt failed to protect the consulate, and why it failed to react to the attack once it was under way.
    I heard on CNN over the weekend that those emails had indeed been released to congress 6 months ago. That's why the administration was so surprised when ABC put out a report about "leaked" emails that gave quotes that were nowhere in the original emails, which congress already had. That is also why the administration released the emails a second time, to media outlets. The emails do not show, as ABC and others had claimed, that the White House was supporting the State Department. They show instead that it was the CIA and the State Department arguing over semantics.


    Edited to add: It looks like it doesn't matter what the emails actually proved, which was that the CIA did the basic alterations of the talking points, and the State Department argued against some of the terms used. People are just going to keep believing what they want to believe, and keep chortling that what they want to believe has been proven, dispite the fact that the opposite is true. This thread is clearly going to be a testiment to that.
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    Re: White House releases Benghazi e-mails

    the hill, old brian lamb's favorite source on cspan

    While the administration maintains the decision to remove references to al Qaeda and Islamic extremists was driven by the CIA, the emails also show the State Department repeatedly expressing concern over various revisions of the talking points.

    One email dated Sept. 14 from a CIA official to the agency’s director states, “The White House cleared quickly, but State has major concerns.”

    Nuland emails the group revising the talking points to indicate that an initial round of edits that removed reference to al Qaeda — but not Islamic extremists — “didn’t resolve all my issues or those of my building leadership.”

    Jake Sullivan, the director of policy planning at the State Department, notes in a subsequent email that he had been told “we can make edits.”

    An email exchanged between two CIA officials sent later the same night notes that the agency “revised the document with [the State Department’s] concerns in mind.”
    White House releases Benghazi emails - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com

    abc's account: The Benghazi Emails: Talking Points Changed at State Dept.'s Request - ABC News

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    Re: White House releases Benghazi e-mails

    How long would a journalist remain in the press corp if he asked obama who is the person who made the ultimate decision to use the "video \ riot \ spontaneous" claim over terrorism? And why did they do so?

    The loser in charge could end this debacle by naming that person, and saying they were trying to protect the administration in the middle of an election. I have terminated them, and everyone knows that was wrong.

    Done - move on to the IRS/AP debacles.

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