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Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

The guy in charge, if he knew what was going on, should be first to go. If he didn't know what was going on, he should still be the first to go for not knowing what's happening under his nose.

Frankly, I hope lots of heads roll here. Unlike too many of our current politically motivated "scandals", this is a REAL scandal that should infuriate every single American, regardless of their political views.
 
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seems appropriate. i am curious to learn if 501c4s from both sides were targeted, or only those which are anti-IRS. while i don't believe any politically motivated group should be tax exempt, the IRS must act in an unbiased, uniform manner.
 
I'm glad he resigned. He should have never apologized to the tea party types. Instead he should have called for investigation of Bush-era use of the IRS against progressive groups and named names.
 
The guy in charge, if he knew what was going on, should be first to go. If he didn't know what was going on, he should still be the first to go for not knowing what's happening under his nose.

Frankly, I hope lots of heads roll here. Unlike too many of our current politically motivated "scandals", this is a REAL scandal that should infuriate every single American, regardless of their political views.

The media in America is perpetually bi-polar and has a serious case of ADD. Perhaps you can relate.
 
The guy in charge, if he knew what was going on, should be first to go. If he didn't know what was going on, he should still be the first to go for not knowing what's happening under his nose.

Frankly, I hope lots of heads roll here. Unlike too many of our current politically motivated "scandals", this is a REAL scandal that should infuriate every single American, regardless of their political views.

That's right, and I think it's significant that in multiple news reports, assessments have used the word "chilling." Because that's exactly what this is--chilling. Asking what books folks are reading? Wanting printouts of Facebook posts?

No. No, no, no. The IRS wants YOU
 
seems appropriate. i am curious to learn if 501c4s from both sides were targeted, or only those which are anti-IRS. while i don't believe any politically motivated group should be tax exempt, the IRS must act in an unbiased, uniform manner.

Apparently not:

The IRS employees responsible for applying greater scrutiny to groups with "Tea Party" or "Patriots" in their names were evidently incorrigible. After their boss told them to cease and desist they did, temporarily. Then they went back to doing their own thing, which meant using inappropriate filters to select applicants for additional review. (Page 7)
10 Things We Learned From the IRS Inspector General Report : It's All Politics : NPR

Not sure about 'anti-IRS' though.

Full IG report:
http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201310053fr.pdf
 
I'm glad he resigned. He should have never apologized to the tea party types. Instead he should have called for investigation of Bush-era use of the IRS against progressive groups and named names.

Care to provide examples?
 
If obama thinks throwing this one guy under the bus is going to end this he's in for a big surprise, not to mention the fact that whoever was doing these things in the IRS needs to go to jail not be rewarded with early retirement and full benefits.
 
Good, though an investigation still needs to occur.
 
That's right, and I think it's significant that in multiple news reports, assessments have used the word "chilling." Because that's exactly what this is--chilling. Asking what books folks are reading? Wanting printouts of Facebook posts?

No. No, no, no. The IRS wants YOU

It was chilling 2 decades ago when i was a teenager and figured out how corrupt and above things the IRS was. Now I am just like what took everyone so long to catch up? Did you actually think the IRS was honest and forthright all of these years? I am glad you finally care, but the only reason you do is because of Obama so push for some quick work here because in 3 years you will be back to turning a blind eye to this sort of thing. Maybe if enough people on both sides are offended we can actually get ......Forget it i am not tghat gullible.

Seriously, if you want some backing you got it. I am not falling for this faux outrage thing so prove you actually care and make a movement. I will be waiting to watch all this outrage at the IRS turn entirely to outrage over Obama despite the reality he certainly did not make the IRS corrupt and dangerous. Keep on target and I will help, if you go off target hoping for some support on a distraction then you are just making up faux outrage.
 
I'm glad he resigned. He should have never apologized to the tea party types. Instead he should have called for investigation of Bush-era use of the IRS against progressive groups and named names.

Since GWB never used the IRS against lefties that investigation would take about 30 minutes.:cool:
 
If obama thinks throwing this one guy under the bus is going to end this he's in for a big surprise, not to mention the fact that whoever was doing these things in the IRS needs to go to jail not be rewarded with early retirement and full benefits.

It is not obama, it is the IRS. Thanks for showing us what a faker you are by pretending to be mad at the IRS when you are really just mad at obama. I am glad to be involved in something to take the IRS down, but if you want to hijack IRS hate to try and go after Obama then go find some faux news buddies for your faux outrage.
 
Since GWB never used the IRS against lefties that investigation would take about 30 minutes.:cool:

Still as gullible as ever. this has nothing to do with the IRS at all, and the more you fakers speak it becomes much more obvious you don't care about the corruption in the IRS as long as it happens to liberals and on a republican watch.
 
It is not obama, it is the IRS. Thanks for showing us what a faker you are by pretending to be mad at the IRS when you are really just mad at obama. I am glad to be involved in something to take the IRS down, but if you want to hijack IRS hate to try and go after Obama then go find some faux news buddies for your faux outrage.

You have a framed pic of obama hanging over your bed don't you, be honest.:lol:
 
It was chilling 2 decades ago when i was a teenager and figured out how corrupt and above things the IRS was. Now I am just like what took everyone so long to catch up? Did you actually think the IRS was honest and forthright all of these years? I am glad you finally care, but the only reason you do is because of Obama so push for some quick work here because in 3 years you will be back to turning a blind eye to this sort of thing. Maybe if enough people on both sides are offended we can actually get ......Forget it i am not tghat gullible.

Seriously, if you want some backing you got it. I am not falling for this faux outrage thing so prove you actually care and make a movement. I will be waiting to watch all this outrage at the IRS turn entirely to outrage over Obama despite the reality he certainly did not make the IRS corrupt and dangerous. Keep on target and I will help, if you go off target hoping for some support on a distraction then you are just making up faux outrage.

No, the only reason I care is because this is the first time I've been aware that the IRS has an Orwellian impetus. If you would be so kind as to fill in the gaps for me about the IRS previously targeting specific political and religious groups, I'd appreciate it.
 

So...no left leaning organizations can use the word "patriot"? That's the part I've yet to understand.
You have a framed pic of obama hanging over your bed don't you, be honest.:lol:

Be honest, you're the person who hung the chair in their front yard after the Republican National Convention last year, aren't you? :wink:

(And yes, I was joking too)
 
I'm glad he resigned. He should have never apologized to the tea party types. Instead he should have called for investigation of Bush-era use of the IRS against progressive groups and named names.

Wow, how desperate.

Your'e manufacturing new scandals and then applying them retroactively ?

Unbelievable, and no, just because some clown resigned doesn't mean this scandal is over, or that Obama and his circle of Chicago scum get off Scott free. I think if anything this resignation just gives Obama time to get back to lying about Benghazi and destroying the economy.
 
Still as gullible as ever. this has nothing to do with the IRS at all, and the more you fakers speak it becomes much more obvious you don't care about the corruption in the IRS as long as it happens to liberals and on a republican watch.

It's not up to some desperate Liberal on a Internet forum to define what "this is about". It was simply, Chicago bullying style politics, and until a few of those scum are in jail, the Republicans aren't letting this one go.
 
So...no left leaning organizations can use the word "patriot"? That's the part I've yet to understand.


Be honest, you're the person who hung the chair in their front yard after the Republican National Convention last year, aren't you? :wink:

(And yes, I was joking too)

A better comeback would have been, you have an effigy of obama hanging from a tree in your front yard don't you. No comment.:lol:
 
So...no left leaning organizations can use the word "patriot"? That's the part I've yet to understand.

? but I found this part interesting:

The Determinations Unit developed and used inappropriate criteria to identify applications from organizations with the words Tea Party in their names. These applications (hereafter referred to as potential political cases)13 were forwarded to a team of specialists14 for review. Subsequently, the Determinations Unit expanded the criteria to inappropriately include organizations with other specific names (Patriots and 9/12) or policy positions. While the criteria used by the Determinations Unit specified particular organization names, the team of specialists was also processing applications from groups with names other than those identified in the criteria. The inappropriate and changing criteria may have led to inconsistent treatment of organizations applying for tax-exempt status. For example, we identified some organizations’ applications with evidence of significant political campaign intervention that were not forwarded to the team of specialists for processing but should have been. We also identified applications that were forwarded to the team of specialists but did not have indications of significant political campaign intervention. All applications that were forwarded to the team of specialists experienced substantial delays in processing.

It would appear that there were other groups who should have been scrutinized but weren't. There are no specific names so I'm not sure but suffice to say if there were 'left leaning' groups the IRS would certainly claim such as it would at least redeem them somewhat.
 
Still as gullible as ever. this has nothing to do with the IRS at all, and the more you fakers speak it becomes much more obvious you don't care about the corruption in the IRS as long as it happens to liberals and on a republican watch.

Since I'm sure you're privy to secret knowledge I'll just wait for you to reveal what it's "really" about.:lamo
 
Something to keep in mind. Steve Miller, that just resigned, was not in charge of the IRS when the extra scrutiny and targeting began. That was Doug Shulman...of course Miller knew about the targeting for about a year or so.

The question is whether this is an institutional thing or not.

And of course there is this:
Tim Carney: The IRS is deeply political

In the past three election cycles, the Center for Responsive Politics' database shows about $474,000 in political donations by individuals listing "IRS" or "Internal Revenue Service" as their employer.

This money heavily favors Democrats: $247,000 to $145,000, with the rest going to political action committees. (Oddly, half of those GOP donations come from only two IRS employees, one in Houston and one in Annandale, Va.)

IRS employees also gave $67,000 to the PAC of the National Treasury Employees Union, which in turn gave more than 96 percent of its contributions to Democrats. Add the PAC cash to the individual donations and IRS employees favor Democrats 2-to-1.

The Cincinnati office where the political targeting took place is much more partisan, judging by FEC filings. More than 75 percent of the campaign contributions from that office in the past three elections went to Democrats. In 2012, every donation traceable to employees at that office went to either President Obama or liberal Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio.

The IRS officials whose names appear in the IG report are also Democrats with partisan histories. William Wilkins, IRS general counsel and one of the agency's two explicitly political appointees, is a former Democratic congressional aide, lobbyist (clients included the Swiss Bankers Association), and Democratic donor.

Joseph H. Grant, who ran the Tax Exempt and Government Entities Division that includes the Cincinnati office, is a former Democratic staffer on the House Ways & Means Committee.
 
A better comeback would have been, you have an effigy of obama hanging from a tree in your front yard don't you. No comment.
Oh, I figured that would be obvious of any Obama hater. :)
? but I found this part interesting:
I keep reading how conservatives were targeted because any group with the name "patriot" was automatically flagged (as well as Tea Party). What I don't understand is how "patriot" is a conservative word.

It would appear that there were other groups who should have been scrutinized but weren't.
Exactly. This should not be made into a political scandal, and those who are trying to turn it into one are doing so for selfish reasons, not out of any real indignation. The number of filings DOUBLED in the two years between 2010 and 2012, which just so happened to coincide with the Citizen's United verdict. I think a poster in another thread said it best. I usually have an incredibly high opinion of myself, but even I don't think I could say it better.

Actually, the questionaire is completely valid. Remember, we're talking about applications to be a 501(c)(4) non-profit organization. This distinction is reserved for social welfare organizations. These organizations can be issue oriented, but are barred from being primarily political. For example, the NRA and AARP are legitimate 501(c)(4) organizations.

These groups should have been filed as 527 non-profits. These groups are allowed to be primariliy political in nature and are easier to apply for.

However, 527's have to release their donors. The reason so many conservative political groups filed as 501(c)(4)s was because they were trying to hide their donors. The IRS was 100% wrong to target groups that had tea party in their name just because they had tea party in their name, but were most likely 100% right to target these groups.
 
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