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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    "ACTING"' head of IRS who by the way was scheduled to leave in June.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Yes, I saw that and the figure I referenced included the numbers that substantiate the increase in c4's. But even on the page you indicated in the preceding sentence of the one you references applications of both c3's AND c4's. While I stipulate there WAS a doubling of c4's the '10-'12 increase in c4's (~1,622) pales when compared to the increase in c3's (~7,057) but considering that there were ~63,148 applications in '10 were are talking about a 'mere' ~14% increase and not the 'doubling' that has been advanced. Considering the IG's investigation included c3&4's it seems 'cherrypicking' to pontificate on c3's only.
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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Maybe you guys can now believe us Libertarians. We've been talking about the need to scale back the IRS (if not totally abolishing it) along with abolishing The Federal Reserve.

    Sound good now?
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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    But I quoted a portion of the IG's report that refutes this. Is you position that CNN reporting is a more legitimate source than the TREASURY DEPARTMENTS INSPECTOR GENERAL?
    No, I'm telling you that you didn't read the report closely enough:

    In addition, several organizations applying for
    I.R.C. 501(c)(4) tax-exempt status made allegations that the IRS 1) targeted specific groups applying for tax-exempt status, 2) delayed the processing of targeted groups’ applications for tax-exempt status, and 3) requested unnecessary information from targeted organizations. Lastly, several members of Congress requested that the IRS investigate whether existing social welfare organizations are improperly engaged in a substantial, or even predominant, amount of campaign activity.
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    While the team of specialists reviewed applications from a variety of organizations, we determined during our reviews of statistical samples of I.R.C. 501(c)(4) tax-exempt applications that all cases with Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 in their names were forwarded to the team of specialists.
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    This is about 501(c)4, that's why I did not include the other information.

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    LOL yeah another "real" <ahem> leadership move. Have Jack Lew "ask for and accept" the resignation of a guy who's ALREADY leaving in two weeks!

    If this wasn't actually happening......NO one, ok , NO one but low information voters, would BELIEVE it.

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    So...no left leaning organizations can use the word "patriot"? That's the part I've yet to understand.
    Sure, they can. Just like a Right leaning group could use the term "Progressive" in their name.

    But there's a bit of common sense here, that obviously you're purposefully acting obtuse to ignore. In the past few years, the VAST majority of groups that have gotten any attention what so ever with "Patriot" in their name have been right leaning groups. The "Patroit Movement" which has got significant attention in recent years is a far right leaning movement. Nothing is saying a left leaning organization can't use the word Patriot, but it would be amazingly realistic and rather common sense for someone to make an assumption that groups with "Patriot" in the name in the current climate has an extermely significant chance of being right leaning in it's political views.

    But you're smart enough to know that, which is why I'm almost positive you're simply acting obtuse for the sake of trying to do your best Glenn Beck Routine "ASKING QUESTIONS!!!!"

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No, I'm telling you that you didn't read the report closely enough:
    This is about 501(c)4, that's why I did not include the other information.
    You are 'cherrypicking' again. Even by the portion you posted 'or 9/12 in their names' refutes your assertion:

    The 9/12 Project's "Constitutional Champions" program is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit tax exempt organization.
    The 9/12 Project
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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    I was defending the tea party types by claiming that they're not the kind of folks who would scam the IRS, citing the fact that they're poor and naive (i. e. too honest), and I'm being called "racist" for that ?
    No you weren't, you were relishing in your unquestionably bigotry and prejudice as you doled out backhanded insults and attack laden "defenses" of them and then turn around like you're doing some good thing sounding like a slave owner convincing himself of what a kind deed he's doing for those black folk.

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The facts of life is not bait--ignorant individuals don't know how to beat the system, and are therefore not worth targeting, period..

    Anyone with an ounce of noodle who truly wanted to avoid the IRS would never raise suspicion by applying for tax-exempt status, which is certainly difficult to get legally.

    It's common knowledge that tea party groups harbor mostly poor, uneducated folks, i. e. not the kind of individuals that could or would scam the IRS out of millions; since they applied for tax-exempt status, it tells you they're honest/innocent.

    So I'm not criticizing them; I'm defending them by stating that they're simply too naive to be a credible threat to the IRS, and therefore should not be targeted.
    It must have taken willful ignorance and mangle logic to get to this response. You haven't provided a single fact, nor do I think you could support it. Please supply credible sources for this nonsense.
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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The real reason why this was odd is that tea party groups are generally too dumb to know how to avoid paying taxes, so targeting them is plain stupid.

    After all, the very fact that they tried to apply for tax-exempt status in an attempt to avoid the IRS tells you those organizations are naive.

    The best tax avoiders do it illegally.
    Really smart people avoid taxes illegally. Anyone who believes otherwise is naive and dumb.

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