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Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

clownboy said:
Every one of your examples prove you haven't a clue how government is supposed to work.
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Who the hell cares how gummint is supposed to work :rolleyes:. This is not Disneyland. The US gummint is not a dreamland where all officials are nice and obey all laws, etc.

This is the real world. In the real world, thinks don't work the way they should, or you want them to. In the real world, favoritism, corruption, incentives play a role in decision-making, including within the federal gummint, and therefore any organization that wants to call itself "smart" and/or accomplish its goals needs to be aware of that and take precautions.
 
Amadeus said:
At the moment, this is my feeling. If someone was applying for citizenship with the name 'Jihadi Bin Laden', I'm sure conservatives would want them scrutinized. Similarly, if a group named 'Tea Party 4Life' applied for a tax exemption, they should be scrutinized.

My opinion is not set in stone on this issue, as I only know the basics.
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You have think like one of these conservative posters here--

"Well, well, if those jihadist groups applied and didn't break the law, they should get citizenship! And if I go the IRS office with a tee-shirt saying **** THE IRS! well they should help me when I apply for tax-exempt status. If not, they're doing us wrong."
 
solletica said:
Who the hell cares how gummint is supposed to work :rolleyes:. This is not Disneyland. The US gummint is not a dreamland where all officials are nice and obey all laws, etc.

This is the real world. In the real world, thinks don't work the way they should, or you want them to. In the real world, favoritism, corruption, incentives play a role in decision-making, including within the federal gummint, and therefore any organization that wants to call itself "smart" and/or accomplish its goals needs to be aware of that and take precautions.
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Everything you say about stupidity is negated by the use of intentional and childish misspellings. Like spelling America with Ks, it's so silly as to render any possible point you might have moot.
 
The American Spectator : The Liberal Union Behind the IRS

“My question is who is going to jail?”
— House Speaker John Boehner on the IRS Scandal

The President couldn’t even bring himself to breathe a word of the truth.

He could fire some hapless Acting Commissioner, but last night Mr. Obama never came close to discussing that which must never be discussed.

The IRS?

It’s about a union: the National Treasury Employees Union. The NTEU. A left-wing union representing 150,000 employees in 31 separate government agencies, including the IRS. A union that not only endorsed President Obama for election and re-election, but a union whose current president, Colleen Kelly, was a 14-year IRS agent and now is both union president and Obama administration appointee (of which more in a moment).

It’s about 94% of NTEU union contributions going to Democrats in the Senate and House in 2012 — candidates who campaigned as vociferous opponents of the Tea Party.

And the recently released report from the Treasury Inspector General? You will not find a single reference to the NTEU. Whose members are both player and referee in the exploding controversy over the IRS targeting of conservative groups.

Which raises the obvious question: how many NTEU members were involved in the writing of the Inspector General’s report?

Even more to the point, what contact — what coordination — has the Obama White House had with their allies in the NTEU leadership as both the White House and the NTEU race to get on top of a scandal that is rapidly engulfing both?

Did I mention that the NTEU has no comment on all of this? And that when President Obama went in front of cameras to make his statement on the IRS scandal — he never once mentioned his very powerful union buddies that have the run of the IRS? Right down to the control of who gets a Blackberry? Literally.

Let’s first see how the IRS/NTEU game with the Tea Party and conservatives is played, shall we?
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Very interesting union angle on this.
 
Actually, TPers aren't really opposed to a low tax, limited government, pure free market world. They just claim to support those things because they're just parroting what Limbaugh told them. They don't know what it means.

But it's brutally obvious that TPers don't want a pure free market country, because in such a system, there would be no hiring laws--in accordance w/free market principles, the gummint could not ban any company from hiring whomever they wanted, including overseas labor. And, of course, the TPers are opposed to that because, aside from racist/bigoted, most of them are manual laborers and couldn't hack it when their jobs are taken over by guest workers.

And the TPers just aren't very marketable by themselves in the world, which is why they constantly bitched about the fact that Obama didn't create jobs for them, whereas pure market advocates never blame their government for not having a job, because in a free market, that's not the government's responsibility. But the TPers need their welfare/unemployment checks.

The people who actually support limited government, reduced taxes, etc. are Libertarians like me. Unlike the bigoted, trailer park dwelling TPers bitching about Muslims, Latino immigrants, we Libertarians welcome anyone into the country who is marketable, i. e. who is willing to work for what an employer wants to pay--that's free enterprise.

And unlike the TPers, we are opposed to the feds wasting billions of taxpayer dollars starting useless wars and funding other governments. The TPers, OTOH, support these things because Rush Limbaugh told them to.
 
ocean515 said:
Very interesting indeed.

The growth in power of Public Employee Unions, and the resulting decimation of Federal and State coffers since, should be a great concern to all.
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Unions do not prevent employers from hiring anyone they want; no one is ever forced to sign a union security agreement, contrary to what rush limbaugh told you.
 
solletica said:
Unions do not prevent employers from hiring anyone they want; no one is ever forced to sign a union security agreement, contrary to what rush limbaugh told you.
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:lamo

With all the words you post, I'd think credibility would be important to you...
 
Amadeus said:
At the moment, this is my feeling. If someone was applying for citizenship with the name 'Jihadi Bin Laden', I'm sure conservatives would want them scrutinized. Similarly, if a group named 'Tea Party 4Life' applied for a tax exemption, they should be scrutinized.

My opinion is not set in stone on this issue, as I only know the basics.
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Oh, goody. Let's add "freedom," "liberty," "fair," "Constitutional," and "justice" to the target-list. Feel free to add others.
 
nota bene said:
Oh, goody. Let's add "freedom," "liberty," "fair," "Constitutional," and "justice" to the target-list. Feel free to add others.
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If you want to be overtly political, perhaps you should not apply for government welfare.
 
ocean515 said:
:lamo

With all the words you post, I'd think credibility would be important to you...
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A union security agreement is a contractual agreement, usually part of a union collective bargaining agreement, in which an employer and a trade or labor union agree on the extent to which the union may compel employees to join the union, and/or whether the employer will collect dues, fees, and assessments on behalf of the union.

Union security agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I would think getting a new teacher instead of the one below would be important to you
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justabubba said:
an interesting union angle?
there is no union involvement in this matter
you are looking for a conspiracy where none is to be found

but prove me wrong and show us the union's involvement in this irs matter
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How do you know there's no union involvement? I'm not looking for anything. I only commented on the article's premise. It is you who lost their cookies, and started banging the drum about what was and what wasn't.
 
nota bene said:
Oh, goody. Let's add "freedom," "liberty," "fair," "Constitutional," and "justice" to the target-list. Feel free to add others.
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Those words only have relevance to Libertarians. TPers don't know what they mean. rush hasn't taught it to them correctly.
 
American said:
How do you know there's no union involvement? I'm not looking for anything. I only commented on the article's premise. It is you who lost their cookies, and started banging the drum about what was and what wasn't.
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i will prove a negative as soon as you show us how to divide by zero
 
solletica said:
With all the stupidity in your posts, I would think getting a new teacher instead of the one below would be important to you
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:2rofll:

I'm curious, where did I write anything about unions requiring people to join?

Fact, Public Employee Union pay and benefits have decimated Federal and State coffers across the country. The union/IRS angle the other poster presented is an interesting one.

If you want to play skip rope on the play ground, perhaps another forum would be better suited for your depth of reason.
 
solletica said:
You seem to confuse character with
intelligence.

Intelligence is a measure of how successful one is at accomplishing one's goals, period. Has nothing to do with character.

No one is questioning the character of the TPers. I'm sure they're good people. But given their position relative to Obama's, it's brutally obvious which one of the two lacks noodle.
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LOL !!!

No, your'e the one confused. REAL intelligence involves the creation of a plan that won't fu***n turn to sh** a year, two years 4.5 years down the road.

REAL intelligence is not " the means justifies the ends" as so many of your ilk take a pereneal short sighted view to " goals " and " accomplishments " while not giving any credence to character and integrity.

Damn, how corrupted are you to think for an instant that accomplishing a goal alone equates to intelligence ?

I mean so what, the progressives passed Obama care, bribed, lied and did it in the dark of night so for the next 4 years the economy could be stagnant and millions of Americans could suffer due to chronic unemployment.

Goals over character huh ? And what has that gotten us ? A administration that is neck deep in lies and scandal and a economy thats on life support.

A record shrinkage in the middle class with a exponentially growing dependent class. Dissabillity has more than doubled, food stamp usage up 20 million and a 30 year low in Consumer Confidence as your President gives the banks hundreds of millions of dollars every year in subsidies. Hey, plus those guys get to keep our money free now.

Hey that's some goal.

I promise you couldn't exist in my world intellectually, you would be marginalized by people, CONSERVATIVES , far sharper than any leftist ideologue that push's this progressive moral relativism nonsense here everday.
 
ocean515 said:
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I'm curious, where did I write anything about unions requiring people to join?
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You wrote what rush limbaugh told you to write.

ocean515 said:
Fact, Public Employee Union pay and benefits have decimated Federal and State coffers across the country.
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How could they decimate State coffers if no one forced those state governments to sign a union security agreement, which is purely voluntary?

Explain it to us.
 
solletica said:
Those words only have relevance to Libertarians. TPers don't know what they mean. rush hasn't taught it to them correctly.
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The fixation on Limbaugh is pathetic. Really, it is. Why the obsession?
 
solletica said:
You wrote what rush limbaugh told you to write.



How could they decimate State coffers if no one forced those state governments to sign a union security agreement, which is purely voluntary?

Explain it to us.
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I tell you what, I promise not to let my age and wisdom evicerate your points due to your youth and inexperience.

Now, the question is not how COULD they decimate state coffers, but how DID they, ESPECIALLY since allowing it to happen was voluntary?

Explain...
 
Why did the applications for groups seeking tax exempt status double after Obama's election?
 
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