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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    ...What I don't understand is how "patriot" is a conservative word.
    It is not. Given the time frame of the investigation, the influx of new applications we both know who overwhelmingly used this name. Perhaps you can provide examples of progressive/liberal organizations that have "patriot' in their names. This would certainly solidify your supposition.

    ...I think a poster in another thread said it best. I usually have an incredibly high opinion of myself, but even I don't think I could say it better.
    But his assertion is incorrect. Note that the table on page 2 indicates that 501c4's do not have to 'apply to the IRS'.
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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    And today we get an outraged Obama crowing how he instructed Jack Lee to ask for and secure the resignation of the IRS head, who is slotted to be done in two weeks anyway. wow what a tough guy. :
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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Have to say, remembering back, pretty much every presidential admin in my lifetime (maybe not Carter) was at least accused of using the IRS to go after their enemies. JFK and Johnson did it, Nixon did it, Reagan probably did it, Bush 1 was the ex-CIA head, chances are good he did it, Clinton did it for sure, Bush maybe did it and now we know Obama has it in his toolkit. Pretty farking disgusting.
    Here's what I don't know, and maybe you can clarify: In any of these instances, was the Admin found to be guilty of doing it?

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    The real reason why this was odd is that tea party groups are generally too dumb to know how to avoid paying taxes, so targeting them is plain stupid.

    After all, the very fact that they tried to apply for tax-exempt status in an attempt to avoid the IRS tells you those organizations are naive.

    The best tax avoiders do it illegally.

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The guy in charge, if he knew what was going on, should be first to go. If he didn't know what was going on, he should still be the first to go for not knowing what's happening under his nose.

    Frankly, I hope lots of heads roll here. Unlike too many of our current politically motivated "scandals", this is a REAL scandal that should infuriate every single American, regardless of their political views.
    This is really no big deal. The IRS commissioner isn't exactly raking in cash, so for him to quit is hardly a life-changing event for him. Some other idiot will just take his place.

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    But his assertion is incorrect. Note that the table on page 5 indicates that 501c4's do not have to 'apply to the IRS'.
    I'm not telling you that you're wrong, but I do not see what you are talking about. Could you quote the section you're referring to?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And today we get an outraged Obama crowing how he instructed Jack Lee to ask for and secure the resignation of the IRS head
    Is he any relation to Bruce Lee?

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    ...The number of filings DOUBLED in the two years between 2010 and 2012, which just so happened to coincide with the Citizen's United verdict....
    http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...01310053fr.pdf
    Figure 2, page 3 doesn't even remotely support this assertion. Can you provide a source?
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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I'm not telling you that you're wrong, but I do not see what you are talking about. Could you quote the section you're referring to?
    I was mistaken, it is figure 1 on PAGE 2...sorry.
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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    The guy in charge, if he knew what was going on, should be first to go
    mr miller, according to tigta, the inspector general, was informed of all "details" in may, 2012

    mr shulman, the commissioner at the time was also told

    IRS's Steven Miller knew of targeting in 2012 - Lauren French - POLITICO.com

    mr shulman testified in congress (way and means, i think) 2 months earlier, march, 2012, categorically and unequivocally denying THE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR we all now know was going on

    it wasn't any big secret, i knew

    bill kristol told me

    IRS Won't Move Richmond Tea Party Tax Status

    i remember arianna affirming it

    HuffingtonPost: IRS Battling Tea Party Groups Over Tax-Exempt Status

    while it is possible if not plausible that mr shulman didn't know when he swore under oath in march, 2012, why when he was apprised, according to tigta, two months later did he fail to come clean?

    we are looking at CRIMES on top of CRIMES

    why did he and his successor, the freshly fired mr miller, lie to dozens of direct inquiries from congressfolk and committee since?

    these people are looking at jail time---whadya think they know?

    will the worm turn?

    stay tuned

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...01310053fr.pdf
    Figure 2, page 3 doesn't even remotely support this assertion. Can you provide a source?
    Uhh...I think you need to look again:

    501(c)4:

    2009: 1751
    2010: 1735
    2011: 2265
    2012: 3357

    That's right there from the table you told me to look at.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I was mistaken, it is figure 1 on PAGE 2...sorry.
    I think there's probably context missing there. If these groups didn't have to file with the IRS, why did they?

    Something seems a little off there, but it's too late right now to figure out what it is.

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