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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Here's another conservative group targeted.


    IRS Targeted Conservative Hispanic Outreach Group


    by Brandon Darby
    16 May 2013

    The IRSís targeting of Tea Party groups went even further than has been revealed. A conservative Hispanic outreach group that educates Spanish-speaking and English-speaking Hispanic communities on the US Constitution was also targeted after applying for 501(c3) status, according to the groupís founder and president, Adryana Boyne.
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    IRS Targeted Conservative Hispanic Outreach Group

    Hmm, I wonder how many Progressive Left wing Hispanic Outreach groups were targeted during the same period? Zero?

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Wehrwolfen View Post
    Here's another conservative group targeted.


    IRS Targeted Conservative Hispanic Outreach Group


    by Brandon Darby
    16 May 2013

    The IRS’s targeting of Tea Party groups went even further than has been revealed. A conservative Hispanic outreach group that educates Spanish-speaking and English-speaking Hispanic communities on the US Constitution was also targeted after applying for 501(c3) status, according to the group’s founder and president, Adryana Boyne.
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    IRS Targeted Conservative Hispanic Outreach Group

    Hmm, I wonder how many Progressive Left wing Hispanic Outreach groups were targeted during the same period? Zero?
    Will someone please pay attention to me and respond to my questions. Why are groups whose SOLE FOCUS is political get government welfare? From your own link:

    Though Boyne’s group only focused on educating Hispanic communities on the US Constitution and on conservative social and economic values, she said her group was treated unfairly.
    Yes, indoctrinating Hispanics into Republican ideology is political.

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    [QUOTE=justabubba;1061815378]http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditr...01310053fr.pdf
    what the IG has presented is nothing more than piss poor management - and laws/regulations that are other than clear and specific

    to be recognized as tax exempt under internal revenue code 501 (c) (4) an applicant organization MUST be PRIMARILY engaged in the promotion of social welfare. social welfare does NOT include 'political campaign intervention'.

    now, as the assigned specialist determining whether the applicant was primarily engaged in social work in contrast to political campaign intervention, what is the benchmark which allows you to distinguish between the two?
    I'm guessing ThinkProgress would be a good benchmark.

    for those applications which gave no indication of political campaign intervention as part of their organization's activities, they were processed and approved on the merits of the application data received. they were the easy ones.the IG says a couple should have been more thoroughly evaluated, but otherwise they were routine actions

    but those applications from organizations whose information provided an indication they were involved in political campaign intervention, now the test was to determine how much political campaign intervention was too much to allow them to be found tax exempt, when compared to how much social welfare promotion they engaged in

    and this was the crux of the problem. those non-routine applications were sorted out and not acted upon because the specialists were awaiting direction from various other departments of the IRS, especially including the technical unit, rulings and agreements section, operations unit, quality assurance unit, and general counsel's office
    it was a management cluster****, which will be obvious to those who read the timeline
    the unit managers were frequently changed. no one seemed to be able to give definition to the need for benchmarking the acceptable level of political campaign intervention and especially how to measure it. so the managers did nothing. and the specialists, who could not process the application consistent with the regulations until the standard operating procedures were put in place, did not process the non-routine applications while awaiting the benchmarking to be established
    Again, ThinkProgress is a fair benchmark.

    now, during this span, the staff began looking for ways to distinguish the routine submissions from the non-routine applications. here is where they identified applicant organization names as being indicative of non-routine submissions where there was expected to be a degree of political campaign intervention. which is why organizations self identified as tea party, patriots, progressive, and the like were flagged for a higher level of scrutiny. which added scrutiny could only occur once the benchmarking was established

    again. lots of management incompetence. nothing found in the way of partisan bias
    I am not aware of any organizations self identified as progressive which received a higher level of scrutiny, which would indicate partisan bias, unless it can be proved that every single one of the others had something other than tea party or patriots associated with the organization.
    read the report and see for yourself
    At this point, with all the revelations coming on a nearly daily basis, with some of the other independent reports under investigation, I think I'll wait and see for myself, and not put too much faith in the administration investigating itself.

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Why? Because he wasn't fired?
    Hello, humbolt.

    Nobody gets fired these days. They are either promoted, reassigned, or permitted to retire with full benefits! I mean, everyone makes a little mistake now and then, and fair is fair! Club memberships are not cheap, you know! :

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

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    I'd suggest bankruptcy is a strong indicator of a decimation of a cities finances.
    Explain to us how pension fund spending could be the major factor in this bankruptcy (i. e. decimation) if it only accounts for 1.3% debt spending.

    Should I provide your source again, or can you find him yourself?

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    Please move along, you're embarrassing yourself...
    Nothing embarrassing about humiliating limbaugh-addicted righties. Actually, it's too easy .
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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good afternoon to you, penn1954!

    Ocean has been showing us how easy it is to say things in smilies! : Hope you're enjoying your day!
    He knows how to make smileys but he's still having trouble with budget citations and numbers. The latter is a major challenge for his people.

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Comic Sans overload... Arial or Helvetica is better for reading.


    Conservative groups are not under attack. As far as I know, those with overtly political names were given extra scrutiny when applying for tax exemptions.

    You realize in 2010 Max Baucus wrote letters the IRS and asked them to look into these political PAC groups.

    Conservative PAC groups.

    You realize in 2012 Chuck Schumer along with 6 other Democrats including Al Franken wrote a similar letter to the IRS asking them to investigate Conservative PAC groups.

    So your assertion that Conservatives were not targeted is really just your imagination.

    As you can't back up your claims with anything biut your own, thoughtless opinion.

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Hello, humbolt.

    Nobody gets fired these days. They are either promoted, reassigned, or permitted to retire with full benefits! I mean, everyone makes a little mistake now and then, and fair is fair! Club memberships are not cheap, you know! :
    Oh, you know it, and showing up at the club in anything less than a 5 or 7 series BMW is so gauche. Don't we all wish we could be "resigned" as the head of the IRS. The funniest thing here is that we have people defending as understandable what the IRS has already admitted, replete with an apology for doing the very thing claimed here not to have been done.

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You realize in 2010 Max Baucus wrote letters the IRS and asked them to look into these political PAC groups.

    Conservative PAC groups.

    You realize in 2012 Chuck Schumer along with 6 other Democrats including Al Franken wrote a similar letter to the IRS asking them to investigate Conservative PAC groups.

    So your assertion that Conservatives were not targeted is really just your imagination.

    As you can't back up your claims with anything biut your own, thoughtless opinion.
    I said they're not under attack, not that they haven't been targeted. Of course PAC groups should be targeted.

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    Re: Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Which pro-abortion socio-political movement gets a tax exemption? I am genuinely curious.
    Planned Parenthood?

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